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Right now, FB are getting to have their cake and eat it - Section 230 gives them almost complete immunity from how they use their "voice" on the supposed basis

by makomk 6y ago

Right now, FB are getting to have their cake and eat it - Section 230 gives them almost complete immunity from how they use their "voice" on the supposed basis that it's supposedly their users' speech and not theirs, including getting to decide which political violence to support, but they also get full freedom to decide which not-their-speech gets heard and by whom based on their own whims. Ordinary humans who aren't multi-billion-dollar corporations controlling one of the main methods of communication do not have this level of free speech rights.

dkjaudyeqooe 6y ago
Of course you can have this level of free speech rights, just start a website with a comments section and you can have the same awesome power.
- tomp 6y ago
  Unapproved speech will be censored somehow, if necessary at the DNS / internet provider / Cloudflare level. Case in point: Daily Stormer.
  - dkjaudyeqooe 6y ago
    So? That's how the society works: its moral values are reflected by the actions of those who participate in it. Most people find the Daily Stormer abhorrent so they refuse to provide services to it. It's actually free speech in action since all those people are expressing their view of DS. See, free speech works!
    - ThrowawayR2 6y ago
      > "That's how the society works: its moral values are reflected by the actions of those who participate in it." The gaping flaw in the "social norms" argument is that slavery, women as second class citizens, religious intolerance, etc. used to be a social norms as well, so in those eras one has to suspect the parent poster would be arguing in favor of those as well. It is basically a conservative viewpoint saying that what society believes to be moral at the present time will always be moral, so hearing it parroted by people claiming to be aligned with the left is just mind-bending. For the record I am a (old-school) liberal.

by makomk 6y ago

dkjaudyeqooe 6y ago

Of course you can have this level of free speech rights, just start a website with a comments section and you can have the same awesome power.

tomp 6y ago
Unapproved speech will be censored somehow, if necessary at the DNS / internet provider / Cloudflare level. Case in point: Daily Stormer.
- dkjaudyeqooe 6y ago
  So? That's how the society works: its moral values are reflected by the actions of those who participate in it. Most people find the Daily Stormer abhorrent so they refuse to provide services to it. It's actually free speech in action since all those people are expressing their view of DS. See, free speech works!
  - ThrowawayR2 6y ago
    > "That's how the society works: its moral values are reflected by the actions of those who participate in it." The gaping flaw in the "social norms" argument is that slavery, women as second class citizens, religious intolerance, etc. used to be a social norms as well, so in those eras one has to suspect the parent poster would be arguing in favor of those as well. It is basically a conservative viewpoint saying that what society believes to be moral at the present time will always be moral, so hearing it parroted by people claiming to be aligned with the left is just mind-bending. For the record I am a (old-school) liberal.