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What policies he pushed you are not happy with? Less taxes, no new wars, and leaving each state making their own decisions for covid-19 seems pretty center righ

What policies he pushed you are not happy with? Less taxes, no new wars, and leaving each state making their own decisions for covid-19 seems pretty center right to me.

gameswithgo 6y ago
1. less taxes I am not happy with 2. immigrant children in cages 3. easing of environmental rules 4. pulling out of climate deal 5. pulling out of iran deal 6. lying about the election being a fraud, and causing insurrection 7. pardoning his criminal cronies
- boogies 6y ago
  > 2. immigrant children in cages Who built the cages? https://lmddgtfy.net/?q=who%20built%20cages%20for%20children https://lmddgtfy.net/?q=who%20built%20cages%20for%20children You’re making https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25673162 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25673162 ’s point.
  - dragonwriter 6y ago
    > Who built the cages? Who cares? There’s all kinds of less-objectionable potential uses of the cages than the ones to which the Trump Administration has put them. Building them isn’t the problem.
    - boogies 6y ago
      > There’s all kinds of less-objectionable potential uses of the cages than the ones to which the Trump Administration has put them. They were built to keep children separate from each other (gender segregated) and from adults: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/08/26/fact-check-obama-administration-built-migrant-cages-meme-true/3413683001/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/08/26/fac...
      - dragonwriter 6y ago
        Yes, and doing that for a smaller number of people that are transitionally detained after taking steps to minimize their use by minimizing detaining children in the first place (e.g., a policy of not doing custodial detainment of adults accompanying children whose only apparent offense is illegal crossing so that the court-mandated separate detention of children isn't an issue versus deliberately adopting a policy of maximum family separation with the overt motivation of using the associated suffering as a deterrent and punishment.)
    - throwaways885 6y ago
      No, GP means, literally, who put the cage policy in place. It was not the Trump administration. People are only cross about this because it's Trump.
      - dragonwriter 6y ago
        > No, GP means, literally, who put the cage policy in place. It was not the Trump administration. The policy of deliberately maximizing use of the cages by maximizing family separation and using the induced psychic harm as a deterrent is a policy adopted by the Trump Administration. The policy of requiring segregated detention of children, when actually detained, which caused the cages to be necessary was a judicially-imposed policy. The policy of minimizing detention of children so as to minimize the use of the cages, including not detaining adults accompanying children without reason beyond illegal crossing, was a direct response to that judicially-imposed policy by the Obama Administration that was abandoned by the Trump Administration. So, if one is using “built the cages” with the peculiar meaning you suggest of “adopted the policy for their use that is the subject of the objections”, Trump “built the cages”.
        thrwaway2day 6y ago
        Here is a photo of children put in cages during the Obama admin[0] by Donald Trump. [0]https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2018/06/18/ap_18168855174108_wide-cae44ccca2db295cfd3fb446652a82d7c80a0bd6-s800-c85.jpg https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2018/06/18/ap_1816885517410...
  - makomk 6y ago
    Not just that, people who should've known better kept on using photos of kids in cages that were literally taken under the Obama administration to insist that Trump was uniquely evil, including members of Congress and mainstream publications, even months (maybe years?) after the fact they were from the Obama era was firmly established. Not just that either. For example, the fricking Associated Press ran an investigative piece about immigrant kids being handed over to forced labour traffickers that was 100% open about the fact its purpose was to attack Trump's immigration policies, even though if you looked at the dates every incident it described happened under Obama. That didn't stop everyone on social media interpreting it in the intended fashion.
    - tomp 6y ago
      Do you have a link to AP story? Genuinely curious to read it
      - boogies 6y ago
        Ditto. I looked and found this short 2017 story by the AP about laborers hidden on property “since mid-2015”, but it doesn’t mention their age. https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-forced-labor-20170830-story.html https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-forced-labor-20... (disable JavaScript to disable paywall)
      - sampo 6y ago
        https://www.google.com/search?q=Associated+Press+children+cages https://www.google.com/search?q=Associated+Press+children+ca...
  - runarberg 6y ago
    While I agree that any president of the USA is basically a baddie Trump really blows the scale. Yes we should be talking about the draconian immigration policies under Obama, and we should be talking about Biden’s support for the war on drugs, and we should be talking about drone killings under the Democrats. But that doesn’t mean Trump is not all that and worse. Yes it is bad that children were arrested under Obama. Obama should absolutely have to answer to those crimes. But so should Trump. In addition Trump also needs to answer for the child separation (not done under Obama). Yes, Obama needs to answer for war crimes and extrajudicial killings, but so should Trump, and in addition Trump needs to answer to toxic rhetoric, inciting racism, inciting racism, inciting people not to follow public health protocols, etc.
- chasd00 6y ago
  and btw, if the dividers were office cube dividers instead of chain link would you still call it a "cage" ?
- Chris2048 6y ago
  > 2. immigrant children in cages by which you mean in immigration holding cells, after being separated from their apparent guardians, as an anti-trafficking measure. so what would you do?
tartoran 6y ago
Virtually all his tweets have a tendency to disinform. He caused a lot of damage to the country during the pandemic, remember that? Why keep on giving Trump carte blanche? His social messages cause a lot of harm to the US. I guess he's more welcome to GAB or any other radical social media. His followers will flock to him in a similar way as on Twitter or Facebook. Let him be relevant where people don't question him
dkjaudyeqooe 6y ago
I didn't mention his policies why do you think they're relevant? I said 'behaviour' and what I meant is that his incitement to violence is beyond the pale. FB, Twitter and many other people agree. It's obviously a value judgement but not a particularly difficult one.
- NE2z2T9qi 6y ago
  Provide evidence please. Give me a example of where Trump called for violence
  - GordonS 6y ago
    Come on man, you can't be serious - the public burden of proof is so massive that it's on you if you want to argue, pointlessly otherwise. Go and read his Twitter feed from the past few weeks, where he has spewed lies about non-existent fraud in an almost hourly basis, told Mike Pence to overturn the result, and where he called on his supporters to come to DC on the 6th. He has been whipping up his supporters into a frenzy for some time. Watch the video clips of his speeches he has posted on Twitter, with yet more lies about how the election was "stolen from him", the other side are "evil", and how his supporters must "fight" for democracy by helping him overturn the will of the American people. Listen to the tapes of him telling state officials to "find more votes", with thinly veiled threats. Watch the video of his speech shortly before the riot, where Rudi Guliani said the way to win was "trial by combat", and Trump told them all to march on the capital. Listen even to his video statement where he asks them to stop the violence - where he still refuses to denounce their actions, banging on about fraud and what "great patriots" they are! He has, to my knowledge, never explicitly said "let's go and stage a violent coup!", because even Trump is just a tad more intelligent than that - but it is abundantly clear that this is what he was asking for and what he wanted, and it's been clear for all to see for some time.
  - FireBeyond 6y ago
    Yeah, you're definitely not trying hard: - http://www.mediaite.com/online/trump-tells-crowd-to-knock-th http://www.mediaite.com/online/trump-tells-crowd-to-knock-th... "Knock the crap out of them" complete with video and offers to pay legal fees - https://thinkprogress.org/donald-trump-my-fans-were-right-to https://thinkprogress.org/donald-trump-my-fans-were-right-to... - "Maybe he should have been roughed up." on Fox and Friends - https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-punch-him-in-the-fac https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-punch-him-in-the-fac... - "He's smiling [a protestor]. I'd like to punch him. Punch him right in the face." I find it ... 'odd' ... that you can be so well-informed about DNC issues but have "no recollection" (I love that phrase, works so well when people are being hauled in front of Congress) of any specific issue of violence from Trump or the RNC. In fact, here you go, someone's collated them all, with evidence: http://mashable.com/2016/03/12/trump-rally-incite-violence/# http://mashable.com/2016/03/12/trump-rally-incite-violence/#... At least nine video captured incidents: - "I'll beat the crap out of you" - "Part of the problem... is no-one wants to hurt each other any more." - "The audience hit back. We need more of that." and so on. and so on. The "hilarious" part is I posted this four years ago, and it was a synopsis of less than a year of Trump's public calls for violence.
ChrisLomont 6y ago
> Less taxes, Paid for by running up record deficits - which is the opposite of what the right claimed to stand for, and which Trump directly ran on. And those taxes expire for the people, showing who Trump really worked for in this case. >no new wars, Yet destabilizing many areas of the world, leaving it in the opinion of some countries in a much less peaceful place. Here's Germany putting Trump as "Greatest Threat to World Peace " [1]. He's destabilized NATO, he's attacked the US and other intelligence forces to where the US is no longer trusted, likely causing other agencies to share less intel with us. Here's how a lot of the first world thinks of Trump [2]. >leaving each state making their own decisions for covid-19 And his lack of leadership is a central reason the US has 350K_ dead, while other first world countries only have a fraction of the death and economic downturn Trump caused. Trump also fought states having the right to their own election rules, didn't want states to deal with immigration on their own terms, didn't want states to deal with protests on their own terms, has repeatedly claimed he has absolute authority over state decisions (including COVID related ones where he claimed he could dictate economic policy, which he didn't have), and on and on.... Trump uses "states rights" to score political points only - pretend to respect them when he wants, and attack them when he wants. When your evaulation uses a fallacy (cherry-picking) you end up ignoring the majority of the eivdence, your assessment ends up incorrect. [1] https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-angela-merkel-germans-putin-kim-1479235 https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-angela-merkel-germans-... [2] https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2020/09/15/us-image-plummets-internationally-as-most-say-country-has-handled-coronavirus-badly/ https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2020/09/15/us-image-plumm...
- at-fates-hands 6y ago
  >> Trump also fought states having the right to their own election rules. Its clearly stated in the constitution that if states change their election laws, then they need to go through the legislature in order to do so. GA, WI. MI and PA ALL made changes WITHOUT going through the legislature. Why? Because in each of those states, the legislature was controlled by Republicans. The fact they changed their laws the way they did is a clear cut violation of the constitution, it's not even debatable.
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triceratops 6y ago
> Less taxes, My taxes went up. > leaving each state making their own decisions for covid-19 This one especially.
- jayrot 6y ago
  > leaving each state making their own decisions for covid-19 It's so infuriating that this BS would pass for some sort of Trump accolade. The country is in full-blown crisis, the likes of which we haven't seen in a century. Why should the president do anything? He let the states handle it. What a great leader!
  - triceratops 6y ago
    I know right? It's like Bush telling the NYPD they can go arrest Bin Laden after 9/11.
FireBeyond 6y ago
> no new wars but multiple foreign military "actions" > and leaving each state making their own decisions for covid-19 Well, you know other than seizing PPE, and then having your son-in-law, a part of your administration, state -on the record-, that you would openly withhold PPE from states that "weren't friendly to the President". There's many, many more. But you're presenting a rather simplistic (and inaccurate) narrative here.
UncleMeat 6y ago
> What policies he pushed you are not happy with? Some top choices: Nightmarish treatment of immigrants, both legal and illegal. Absolute sabotage of any progress on climate change both through manipulation of the relevant departments and through rollbacks of regulation. Tax cuts that disproportionately affect the rich. Attempts to completely dismantle Obamacare without any sensible replacement. Bigoted limitations on transgender people, especially in the military. And continued DoJ support for legal discrimination against gay people.
exclusiv 6y ago
None of that really matters. I have no doubt he would have won if he didn't say so many stupid things and act like a disrespectful moron. I think the election was stolen, but stolen by Trump alone and basically handed over to Biden. If anything, Trump stole the election from his supporters. They should be pissed he couldn't show restraint and just shut his mouth to take the victory so he could continue with their favored agenda. Instead, he actively sabotaged himself. His ego prevented him from seeing that unfold. And nobody could reign him in at any point. That's crazy. Doesn't matter how many good things you get done if you show everyone you are incapable of humility, incapable of listening to advisors and data and fabricating things on the regular.

What policies he pushed you are not happy with? Less taxes, no new wars, and leaving each state making their own decisions for covid-19 seems pretty center right to me.

gameswithgo 6y ago

1. less taxes I am not happy with 2. immigrant children in cages 3. easing of environmental rules 4. pulling out of climate deal 5. pulling out of iran deal 6. lying about the election being a fraud, and causing insurrection 7. pardoning his criminal cronies

boogies 6y ago
> 2. immigrant children in cages Who built the cages? https://lmddgtfy.net/?q=who%20built%20cages%20for%20children https://lmddgtfy.net/?q=who%20built%20cages%20for%20children You’re making https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25673162 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25673162 ’s point.
- dragonwriter 6y ago
  > Who built the cages? Who cares? There’s all kinds of less-objectionable potential uses of the cages than the ones to which the Trump Administration has put them. Building them isn’t the problem.
  - boogies 6y ago
    > There’s all kinds of less-objectionable potential uses of the cages than the ones to which the Trump Administration has put them. They were built to keep children separate from each other (gender segregated) and from adults: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/08/26/fact-check-obama-administration-built-migrant-cages-meme-true/3413683001/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/08/26/fac...
    - dragonwriter 6y ago
      Yes, and doing that for a smaller number of people that are transitionally detained after taking steps to minimize their use by minimizing detaining children in the first place (e.g., a policy of not doing custodial detainment of adults accompanying children whose only apparent offense is illegal crossing so that the court-mandated separate detention of children isn't an issue versus deliberately adopting a policy of maximum family separation with the overt motivation of using the associated suffering as a deterrent and punishment.)
  - throwaways885 6y ago
    No, GP means, literally, who put the cage policy in place. It was not the Trump administration. People are only cross about this because it's Trump.
    - dragonwriter 6y ago
      > No, GP means, literally, who put the cage policy in place. It was not the Trump administration. The policy of deliberately maximizing use of the cages by maximizing family separation and using the induced psychic harm as a deterrent is a policy adopted by the Trump Administration. The policy of requiring segregated detention of children, when actually detained, which caused the cages to be necessary was a judicially-imposed policy. The policy of minimizing detention of children so as to minimize the use of the cages, including not detaining adults accompanying children without reason beyond illegal crossing, was a direct response to that judicially-imposed policy by the Obama Administration that was abandoned by the Trump Administration. So, if one is using “built the cages” with the peculiar meaning you suggest of “adopted the policy for their use that is the subject of the objections”, Trump “built the cages”.
      - thrwaway2day 6y ago
        Here is a photo of children put in cages during the Obama admin[0] by Donald Trump. [0]https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2018/06/18/ap_18168855174108_wide-cae44ccca2db295cfd3fb446652a82d7c80a0bd6-s800-c85.jpg https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2018/06/18/ap_1816885517410...
- makomk 6y ago
  Not just that, people who should've known better kept on using photos of kids in cages that were literally taken under the Obama administration to insist that Trump was uniquely evil, including members of Congress and mainstream publications, even months (maybe years?) after the fact they were from the Obama era was firmly established. Not just that either. For example, the fricking Associated Press ran an investigative piece about immigrant kids being handed over to forced labour traffickers that was 100% open about the fact its purpose was to attack Trump's immigration policies, even though if you looked at the dates every incident it described happened under Obama. That didn't stop everyone on social media interpreting it in the intended fashion.
  - tomp 6y ago
    Do you have a link to AP story? Genuinely curious to read it
    - boogies 6y ago
      Ditto. I looked and found this short 2017 story by the AP about laborers hidden on property “since mid-2015”, but it doesn’t mention their age. https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-forced-labor-20170830-story.html https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-forced-labor-20... (disable JavaScript to disable paywall)
    - sampo 6y ago
      https://www.google.com/search?q=Associated+Press+children+cages https://www.google.com/search?q=Associated+Press+children+ca...
- runarberg 6y ago
  While I agree that any president of the USA is basically a baddie Trump really blows the scale. Yes we should be talking about the draconian immigration policies under Obama, and we should be talking about Biden’s support for the war on drugs, and we should be talking about drone killings under the Democrats. But that doesn’t mean Trump is not all that and worse. Yes it is bad that children were arrested under Obama. Obama should absolutely have to answer to those crimes. But so should Trump. In addition Trump also needs to answer for the child separation (not done under Obama). Yes, Obama needs to answer for war crimes and extrajudicial killings, but so should Trump, and in addition Trump needs to answer to toxic rhetoric, inciting racism, inciting racism, inciting people not to follow public health protocols, etc.
chasd00 6y ago
and btw, if the dividers were office cube dividers instead of chain link would you still call it a "cage" ?
Chris2048 6y ago
> 2. immigrant children in cages by which you mean in immigration holding cells, after being separated from their apparent guardians, as an anti-trafficking measure. so what would you do?

tartoran 6y ago

Virtually all his tweets have a tendency to disinform. He caused a lot of damage to the country during the pandemic, remember that? Why keep on giving Trump carte blanche? His social messages cause a lot of harm to the US. I guess he's more welcome to GAB or any other radical social media. His followers will flock to him in a similar way as on Twitter or Facebook. Let him be relevant where people don't question him

dkjaudyeqooe 6y ago

I didn't mention his policies why do you think they're relevant? I said 'behaviour' and what I meant is that his incitement to violence is beyond the pale. FB, Twitter and many other people agree. It's obviously a value judgement but not a particularly difficult one.

NE2z2T9qi 6y ago
Provide evidence please. Give me a example of where Trump called for violence
- GordonS 6y ago
  Come on man, you can't be serious - the public burden of proof is so massive that it's on you if you want to argue, pointlessly otherwise. Go and read his Twitter feed from the past few weeks, where he has spewed lies about non-existent fraud in an almost hourly basis, told Mike Pence to overturn the result, and where he called on his supporters to come to DC on the 6th. He has been whipping up his supporters into a frenzy for some time. Watch the video clips of his speeches he has posted on Twitter, with yet more lies about how the election was "stolen from him", the other side are "evil", and how his supporters must "fight" for democracy by helping him overturn the will of the American people. Listen to the tapes of him telling state officials to "find more votes", with thinly veiled threats. Watch the video of his speech shortly before the riot, where Rudi Guliani said the way to win was "trial by combat", and Trump told them all to march on the capital. Listen even to his video statement where he asks them to stop the violence - where he still refuses to denounce their actions, banging on about fraud and what "great patriots" they are! He has, to my knowledge, never explicitly said "let's go and stage a violent coup!", because even Trump is just a tad more intelligent than that - but it is abundantly clear that this is what he was asking for and what he wanted, and it's been clear for all to see for some time.
- FireBeyond 6y ago
  Yeah, you're definitely not trying hard: - http://www.mediaite.com/online/trump-tells-crowd-to-knock-th http://www.mediaite.com/online/trump-tells-crowd-to-knock-th... "Knock the crap out of them" complete with video and offers to pay legal fees - https://thinkprogress.org/donald-trump-my-fans-were-right-to https://thinkprogress.org/donald-trump-my-fans-were-right-to... - "Maybe he should have been roughed up." on Fox and Friends - https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-punch-him-in-the-fac https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-punch-him-in-the-fac... - "He's smiling [a protestor]. I'd like to punch him. Punch him right in the face." I find it ... 'odd' ... that you can be so well-informed about DNC issues but have "no recollection" (I love that phrase, works so well when people are being hauled in front of Congress) of any specific issue of violence from Trump or the RNC. In fact, here you go, someone's collated them all, with evidence: http://mashable.com/2016/03/12/trump-rally-incite-violence/# http://mashable.com/2016/03/12/trump-rally-incite-violence/#... At least nine video captured incidents: - "I'll beat the crap out of you" - "Part of the problem... is no-one wants to hurt each other any more." - "The audience hit back. We need more of that." and so on. and so on. The "hilarious" part is I posted this four years ago, and it was a synopsis of less than a year of Trump's public calls for violence.

ChrisLomont 6y ago

> Less taxes, Paid for by running up record deficits - which is the opposite of what the right claimed to stand for, and which Trump directly ran on. And those taxes expire for the people, showing who Trump really worked for in this case. >no new wars, Yet destabilizing many areas of the world, leaving it in the opinion of some countries in a much less peaceful place. Here's Germany putting Trump as "Greatest Threat to World Peace " [1]. He's destabilized NATO, he's attacked the US and other intelligence forces to where the US is no longer trusted, likely causing other agencies to share less intel with us. Here's how a lot of the first world thinks of Trump [2]. >leaving each state making their own decisions for covid-19 And his lack of leadership is a central reason the US has 350K_ dead, while other first world countries only have a fraction of the death and economic downturn Trump caused. Trump also fought states having the right to their own election rules, didn't want states to deal with immigration on their own terms, didn't want states to deal with protests on their own terms, has repeatedly claimed he has absolute authority over state decisions (including COVID related ones where he claimed he could dictate economic policy, which he didn't have), and on and on.... Trump uses "states rights" to score political points only - pretend to respect them when he wants, and attack them when he wants. When your evaulation uses a fallacy (cherry-picking) you end up ignoring the majority of the eivdence, your assessment ends up incorrect. [1] https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-angela-merkel-germans-putin-kim-1479235 https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-angela-merkel-germans-... [2] https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2020/09/15/us-image-plummets-internationally-as-most-say-country-has-handled-coronavirus-badly/ https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2020/09/15/us-image-plumm...

at-fates-hands 6y ago
>> Trump also fought states having the right to their own election rules. Its clearly stated in the constitution that if states change their election laws, then they need to go through the legislature in order to do so. GA, WI. MI and PA ALL made changes WITHOUT going through the legislature. Why? Because in each of those states, the legislature was controlled by Republicans. The fact they changed their laws the way they did is a clear cut violation of the constitution, it's not even debatable.
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triceratops 6y ago

> Less taxes, My taxes went up. > leaving each state making their own decisions for covid-19 This one especially.

jayrot 6y ago
> leaving each state making their own decisions for covid-19 It's so infuriating that this BS would pass for some sort of Trump accolade. The country is in full-blown crisis, the likes of which we haven't seen in a century. Why should the president do anything? He let the states handle it. What a great leader!
- triceratops 6y ago
  I know right? It's like Bush telling the NYPD they can go arrest Bin Laden after 9/11.

FireBeyond 6y ago

> no new wars but multiple foreign military "actions" > and leaving each state making their own decisions for covid-19 Well, you know other than seizing PPE, and then having your son-in-law, a part of your administration, state -on the record-, that you would openly withhold PPE from states that "weren't friendly to the President". There's many, many more. But you're presenting a rather simplistic (and inaccurate) narrative here.

UncleMeat 6y ago

> What policies he pushed you are not happy with? Some top choices: Nightmarish treatment of immigrants, both legal and illegal. Absolute sabotage of any progress on climate change both through manipulation of the relevant departments and through rollbacks of regulation. Tax cuts that disproportionately affect the rich. Attempts to completely dismantle Obamacare without any sensible replacement. Bigoted limitations on transgender people, especially in the military. And continued DoJ support for legal discrimination against gay people.

exclusiv 6y ago

None of that really matters. I have no doubt he would have won if he didn't say so many stupid things and act like a disrespectful moron. I think the election was stolen, but stolen by Trump alone and basically handed over to Biden. If anything, Trump stole the election from his supporters. They should be pissed he couldn't show restraint and just shut his mouth to take the victory so he could continue with their favored agenda. Instead, he actively sabotaged himself. His ego prevented him from seeing that unfold. And nobody could reign him in at any point. That's crazy. Doesn't matter how many good things you get done if you show everyone you are incapable of humility, incapable of listening to advisors and data and fabricating things on the regular.