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Good. This was absolutely the right move from Facebook. Finally.

toomuchtodo 6y ago
This is a textbook example of reining someone in for yelling “fire!” in a crowded theater when no fire exists, and inciting imminent harm against others.
- SV_BubbleTime 6y ago
  Why do so many people that use the fire in a crowded theater example not know what it means? Do you know that’s not really making the point you think it is? Do you know that it is legal to yell fire in a crowded theater? The case so often referenced, was overturned.
  - toomuchtodo 6y ago
    Are you familiar with the Brandenburg v. Ohio's "imminent lawless action" test? If not, I suggest a quick review of that case law.
    - dragonwriter 6y ago
      > Are you familiar with the Brandenburg v. Ohio’s “imminent lawless action” test? Yes, and saying this is a perfect example of speech inciting imminent lawless action is better than making the comparison you actually made upthread.
      - toomuchtodo 6y ago
        ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ more folks are familiar with my first analogy as it relates to the topic of free speech and imminent lawless acts. Call it laziness, it gets the point across instead of folks giving you blank stares about case law (and I’m happy to cite as I did above when necessary).
        dragonwriter 6y ago
        > more folks are familiar with my first analogy as it relates to the topic of free speech and imminent lawless acts. Your first example doesn't relate to imminent lawless acts at all, that's the problem. While panicked flight is dangerous (hence, its use to illustrate the “clear and present danger” test in Schenk, that has since been replaced), it is not (unlike, e.g., armed insurrection) lawless.
djsumdog 6y ago
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
- king_magic 6y ago
  Trump - and his supporters - are the "they". They are the monsters here. They are the ones invading capitols. They are the ones emboldening white supremacists, racists and fascists. They are the one demanding to overturn the legitimate outcome of a democratic election. It's an insult to the millions and millions who died during WWII to corrupt the message behind this famous poem/statement and insinuate that Trump and his supporters are the victims here. They are not the victims. They are the problem. And they need to be crushed.
  - djsumdog 6y ago
    > Trump - and his supporters - are the "they" 70 million people. All of them are fascists? I'm pretty sure people in Germany though they were stopping the fascists by supporting the Nazis. You have no idea who the "they" is until it's too late. That's why the freedom of speech covers everybody. In America, we are not afraid of ideas. My dad survived a civil war, got his degree and immigrated here legally to be a part of that America. It's the America I grew up in, and that America is slowly falling from the grips of rationality and embracing real true fascism. You think Trump was fascist? Just wait for the next four years. You are about to see freedoms and civil rights disappear like never before.
    - king_magic 6y ago
      > 70 million people. All of them are fascists? Yes. They are de facto fascists. I’m not going to argue history with you beyond this comment, but I seriously, seriously doubt any serious historians would agree that Germans “thought they’d be defeating fascists” by supporting the Nazis - who were, you know, actual fascists.

This is a textbook example of reining someone in for yelling “fire!” in a crowded theater when no fire exists, and inciting imminent harm against others.

SV_BubbleTime 6y ago
Why do so many people that use the fire in a crowded theater example not know what it means? Do you know that’s not really making the point you think it is? Do you know that it is legal to yell fire in a crowded theater? The case so often referenced, was overturned.
- toomuchtodo 6y ago
  Are you familiar with the Brandenburg v. Ohio's "imminent lawless action" test? If not, I suggest a quick review of that case law.
  - dragonwriter 6y ago
    > Are you familiar with the Brandenburg v. Ohio’s “imminent lawless action” test? Yes, and saying this is a perfect example of speech inciting imminent lawless action is better than making the comparison you actually made upthread.
    - toomuchtodo 6y ago
      ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ more folks are familiar with my first analogy as it relates to the topic of free speech and imminent lawless acts. Call it laziness, it gets the point across instead of folks giving you blank stares about case law (and I’m happy to cite as I did above when necessary).
      - dragonwriter 6y ago
        > more folks are familiar with my first analogy as it relates to the topic of free speech and imminent lawless acts. Your first example doesn't relate to imminent lawless acts at all, that's the problem. While panicked flight is dangerous (hence, its use to illustrate the “clear and present danger” test in Schenk, that has since been replaced), it is not (unlike, e.g., armed insurrection) lawless.

djsumdog 6y ago

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

king_magic 6y ago
Trump - and his supporters - are the "they". They are the monsters here. They are the ones invading capitols. They are the ones emboldening white supremacists, racists and fascists. They are the one demanding to overturn the legitimate outcome of a democratic election. It's an insult to the millions and millions who died during WWII to corrupt the message behind this famous poem/statement and insinuate that Trump and his supporters are the victims here. They are not the victims. They are the problem. And they need to be crushed.
- djsumdog 6y ago
  > Trump - and his supporters - are the "they" 70 million people. All of them are fascists? I'm pretty sure people in Germany though they were stopping the fascists by supporting the Nazis. You have no idea who the "they" is until it's too late. That's why the freedom of speech covers everybody. In America, we are not afraid of ideas. My dad survived a civil war, got his degree and immigrated here legally to be a part of that America. It's the America I grew up in, and that America is slowly falling from the grips of rationality and embracing real true fascism. You think Trump was fascist? Just wait for the next four years. You are about to see freedoms and civil rights disappear like never before.
  - king_magic 6y ago
    > 70 million people. All of them are fascists? Yes. They are de facto fascists. I’m not going to argue history with you beyond this comment, but I seriously, seriously doubt any serious historians would agree that Germans “thought they’d be defeating fascists” by supporting the Nazis - who were, you know, actual fascists.