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Why aren’t we blaming anyone that died at CHAZ/CHOP on BLM? It’s hard not to see the bending-over-backwards academic justifications for why we shouldn’t be sup

Why aren’t we blaming anyone that died at CHAZ/CHOP on BLM? It’s hard not to see the bending-over-backwards academic justifications for why we shouldn’t be suppressing riots last year as anything other than the pretext and lead up to what’s happening now. I’m not calling legitimate protesting riots - rather the media was fully complicit with ignoring blatant rioting last year. Buildings were burning and government buildings were being swarmed and destroyed. Riots needs to be suppressed with law and order - full stop. Unfortunately many seem 6 months late to this concept.

uncoder0 6y ago
Partisan Gamesmanship
drno123 6y ago
Exactly. BLM rioters created enormous damage yet I never saw any news that BLM/Antifa are indefinitely blocked from FB.
- inscionent 6y ago
  Yeah! They should suspended the CEO of ANTIFA from FB, Twitter, Parler, WhatsApp, Telegram, and the Dominos app!
  - cultus 6y ago
    The ANTIFA CEO is sitting in his fortified command center underneath the Appalachian Mountains as we speak, cackling and torturing a Trump supporter to death for not calling xir by the proper pronouns. Our joke of a liberal government is doing nothing to eliminate this dangerous threat to our guns and precious, precious strip malls.
maxfurman 6y ago
This is whataboutism. Trump organized the rally that became the riot, he told them himself to march to the Capitol. He is responsible for what happened after that.
- gnusty_gnurc 6y ago
  > Trump organized the rally that became the riot By that logic, BLM led to the destruction of cities and neighborhoods across the country for months on end. This isn't whataboutism, it's a call to suppress riots and call the activists and their sympathizers from last year to account for their bias.
  - cultus 6y ago
    Yeah I live a few blocks away from where where ANTIFA was supposedly terrorizing and burning. The only danger to the public was the tear gas the police indiscriminately used and drifted into apartments and retirement homes. You are full of it.
    - gnusty_gnurc 6y ago
      Got it - all the buildings in Minneapolis burned to the ground was just "justice."
dutchCourage 6y ago
I'm not following you, what's the link with BLM? BLM is a response to (repeated) racist murders from the state and general systemic discriminations. Yesterday's riots were a response to losing a democratic election. It's hard not to see why one is legitimate and the other isn't.
- gnusty_gnurc 6y ago
  > It's hard not to see why one is legitimate and the other isn't. Do you think rioting occurred last year? What I'm saying is that insofar as government is concerned and law and order - rioting is never justified and must be met with police force.
  - dutchCourage 6y ago
    > rioting is never justified and must be met with police force Actually, some governments are so oppressive that sometimes rioting is all the citizens have left. Isn't it what the second amendment is for anyway? I'd even support yesterday's "revolution" if it was justified and the election was actually stolen. But falsely calling an election stolen is dangerous. It's the equivalent of a false rape accusation at a country scale. And oppressive governments do meet riots with police force. Sometimes they straight up kill the people, yet they keep on rioting because it's the only way they can defend their rights.
    - gnusty_gnurc 6y ago
      I think if you look at any of the cities over the past year, there's example after example of spineless mayors, etc. unwilling to protect their citizens and society generally from chaos and petty thieves. People powerless while they watch everything they worked for literally go up in flames at the hands of criminals. There's no justification for that, and it's a far cry from "justice." Disrupting law and order - by definition - turns you into a criminal. I'm not defending any side of the political spectrum, so it's interesting to see how people interpret this argument. Manifesting for social change never justifies the type of chaos we saw last year, and if you think otherwise, don't complain about what happened to Congress.
caeril 6y ago
Because tribal affiliation is completely unassailable by logic. We are all still tribal, barely evolved monkeys, and our manifold cerebral cortex is merely a tool to invent rationalizations for the tribal emotions that well up from our limbic system. This is, of course, on both sides. On HN, the effect is even more pronounced, because "I am smart, therefore my opinions are more valid than average" coincides with "I have concocted this justification for my hypocrisy" to grant even greater surety in personal belief. The LessWrong folks worked pretty hard to inform people of these sort of biases, but the effort thus far has completely failed.
- gnusty_gnurc 6y ago
  Thanks for this! Someone gets it.
matchbok 6y ago
Please, get a grip. The other side goes up in arms when somebody KNEELS. The outrage at the protests earlier this year were obvious, perhaps you weren't reading the news.
elicash 6y ago
When, exactly, did Joe Biden incite CHAZ/CHOP to take over the Capitol Building in order to overthrow lawful election results in a last-ditch attempt to cling to power? This was a coup attempt.
djsumdog 6y ago
> the media was fully complicit with ignoring blatant rioting last year Ignoring? They practically endorsed it as a totally reasonable means of change! The fact that the Trump supporters didn't Riot and very few of them entered the Capitol goes to show the vast majority of those Republicans do believe in law in order! If the situation was reversed, had Trump won and Biden was challenging the election, you can be assured DC would be completely on fire like it was back in May. The Capital Building would be burning right now.
- gnusty_gnurc 6y ago
  Yea you don't hear a peep from the "hate has no home here" side when Cathy Griffin holds a beheaded Trump in effigy. You could only imagine the pearl-clutching if someone made the same image with Biden.

uncoder0 6y ago

Partisan Gamesmanship

drno123 6y ago

Exactly. BLM rioters created enormous damage yet I never saw any news that BLM/Antifa are indefinitely blocked from FB.

inscionent 6y ago
Yeah! They should suspended the CEO of ANTIFA from FB, Twitter, Parler, WhatsApp, Telegram, and the Dominos app!
- cultus 6y ago
  The ANTIFA CEO is sitting in his fortified command center underneath the Appalachian Mountains as we speak, cackling and torturing a Trump supporter to death for not calling xir by the proper pronouns. Our joke of a liberal government is doing nothing to eliminate this dangerous threat to our guns and precious, precious strip malls.

maxfurman 6y ago

This is whataboutism. Trump organized the rally that became the riot, he told them himself to march to the Capitol. He is responsible for what happened after that.

gnusty_gnurc 6y ago
> Trump organized the rally that became the riot By that logic, BLM led to the destruction of cities and neighborhoods across the country for months on end. This isn't whataboutism, it's a call to suppress riots and call the activists and their sympathizers from last year to account for their bias.
- cultus 6y ago
  Yeah I live a few blocks away from where where ANTIFA was supposedly terrorizing and burning. The only danger to the public was the tear gas the police indiscriminately used and drifted into apartments and retirement homes. You are full of it.
  - gnusty_gnurc 6y ago
    Got it - all the buildings in Minneapolis burned to the ground was just "justice."

dutchCourage 6y ago

I'm not following you, what's the link with BLM? BLM is a response to (repeated) racist murders from the state and general systemic discriminations. Yesterday's riots were a response to losing a democratic election. It's hard not to see why one is legitimate and the other isn't.

gnusty_gnurc 6y ago
> It's hard not to see why one is legitimate and the other isn't. Do you think rioting occurred last year? What I'm saying is that insofar as government is concerned and law and order - rioting is never justified and must be met with police force.
- dutchCourage 6y ago
  > rioting is never justified and must be met with police force Actually, some governments are so oppressive that sometimes rioting is all the citizens have left. Isn't it what the second amendment is for anyway? I'd even support yesterday's "revolution" if it was justified and the election was actually stolen. But falsely calling an election stolen is dangerous. It's the equivalent of a false rape accusation at a country scale. And oppressive governments do meet riots with police force. Sometimes they straight up kill the people, yet they keep on rioting because it's the only way they can defend their rights.
  - gnusty_gnurc 6y ago
    I think if you look at any of the cities over the past year, there's example after example of spineless mayors, etc. unwilling to protect their citizens and society generally from chaos and petty thieves. People powerless while they watch everything they worked for literally go up in flames at the hands of criminals. There's no justification for that, and it's a far cry from "justice." Disrupting law and order - by definition - turns you into a criminal. I'm not defending any side of the political spectrum, so it's interesting to see how people interpret this argument. Manifesting for social change never justifies the type of chaos we saw last year, and if you think otherwise, don't complain about what happened to Congress.

caeril 6y ago

Because tribal affiliation is completely unassailable by logic. We are all still tribal, barely evolved monkeys, and our manifold cerebral cortex is merely a tool to invent rationalizations for the tribal emotions that well up from our limbic system. This is, of course, on both sides. On HN, the effect is even more pronounced, because "I am smart, therefore my opinions are more valid than average" coincides with "I have concocted this justification for my hypocrisy" to grant even greater surety in personal belief. The LessWrong folks worked pretty hard to inform people of these sort of biases, but the effort thus far has completely failed.

gnusty_gnurc 6y ago
Thanks for this! Someone gets it.

matchbok 6y ago

Please, get a grip. The other side goes up in arms when somebody KNEELS. The outrage at the protests earlier this year were obvious, perhaps you weren't reading the news.

elicash 6y ago

When, exactly, did Joe Biden incite CHAZ/CHOP to take over the Capitol Building in order to overthrow lawful election results in a last-ditch attempt to cling to power? This was a coup attempt.

djsumdog 6y ago

> the media was fully complicit with ignoring blatant rioting last year Ignoring? They practically endorsed it as a totally reasonable means of change! The fact that the Trump supporters didn't Riot and very few of them entered the Capitol goes to show the vast majority of those Republicans do believe in law in order! If the situation was reversed, had Trump won and Biden was challenging the election, you can be assured DC would be completely on fire like it was back in May. The Capital Building would be burning right now.

gnusty_gnurc 6y ago
Yea you don't hear a peep from the "hate has no home here" side when Cathy Griffin holds a beheaded Trump in effigy. You could only imagine the pearl-clutching if someone made the same image with Biden.