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Yup how is this different from the Lime Wire case. Basically I don't see how this will work. As an aside, except distros and open Documentaries, what all do pe

Yup how is this different from the Lime Wire case. Basically I don't see how this will work. As an aside, except distros and open Documentaries, what all do people download legally through bit torrent?

trotsky 15y ago
Since the infringing content is moving directly to their servers and then being offered for download it seems an even clearer example than limewire. In the end though it comes down to "substantial non-infringing use" -> something services like rapidshare or usenet hosts seem to be able to show (or at least IP lawyers think they would be able to) but typical bittorrent trackers or other p2p nets haven't seemed to be able to. Other types of legal software - I was given the option of using bittorrent when I downloaded humble indie bundle games, blizzard uses BT for world of warcraft patches, some large scientific datasets, large password dictionaries / rainbow tables and a produced for BT TV series are a few of the examples I've seen. But of course it's hard to consider much of this 'substantial' as compared to the traffic volume of pirated content. There are other examples of services like this though, so who knows.
- wmf 15y ago
  "Substantial non-infringing use" was the Betamax standard, but now they have to meet the Grokster standard as well.
Fargren 15y ago
As an aside, except distros and open Documentaries, what all do people download legally through bit torrent? World of Warcraft
- nickpinkston 15y ago
  It's also how many get their Ubuntu ISOs!
lloeki 15y ago
Officially bought Nine Inch Nails albums in lossless (FLAC and ALAC) and "pro audio" (24bit 96kHz multitrack WAV IIRC). You can legally get The Slip [1] and Ghosts I for free [2], and Ghosts I-IV [2] for a few bucks. Oh, and DRM free. [1] http://theslip.nin.com/ http://theslip.nin.com/ (completely free) [2] http://ghosts.nin.com/ http://ghosts.nin.com/ (order includes a "free" option, but only paid one offers lossless and pro through BitTorrent) The NIN BitTorrent system includes a token that will allow you to start the download "once" (in fact it seems you can start the download many times during a limited time span, then any started download will be allowed to complete even past that cut-off, but the tracker will refuse new fresh downloads). The system is strict enough to prevent blatant copy-pasting and email the download link, yet resilient enough to not get in your way. BT is a data transport medium with perfectly valid use cases. It can very helpfully reduce swarm costs on various intense digital products releases. It's basically bandwidth parallelization and DHT helps to palliate possible tracker downtimes/overloading. It's a shame official release channels don't use it more.
- hafif 15y ago
  exactly. it's the cheapest content distribution method on the planet. even amazon s3 supports it. i think a service utilizing this is totally justified

trotsky 15y ago

Since the infringing content is moving directly to their servers and then being offered for download it seems an even clearer example than limewire. In the end though it comes down to "substantial non-infringing use" -> something services like rapidshare or usenet hosts seem to be able to show (or at least IP lawyers think they would be able to) but typical bittorrent trackers or other p2p nets haven't seemed to be able to. Other types of legal software - I was given the option of using bittorrent when I downloaded humble indie bundle games, blizzard uses BT for world of warcraft patches, some large scientific datasets, large password dictionaries / rainbow tables and a produced for BT TV series are a few of the examples I've seen. But of course it's hard to consider much of this 'substantial' as compared to the traffic volume of pirated content. There are other examples of services like this though, so who knows.

wmf 15y ago
"Substantial non-infringing use" was the Betamax standard, but now they have to meet the Grokster standard as well.

Fargren 15y ago

As an aside, except distros and open Documentaries, what all do people download legally through bit torrent? World of Warcraft

nickpinkston 15y ago
It's also how many get their Ubuntu ISOs!

lloeki 15y ago

Officially bought Nine Inch Nails albums in lossless (FLAC and ALAC) and "pro audio" (24bit 96kHz multitrack WAV IIRC). You can legally get The Slip [1] and Ghosts I for free [2], and Ghosts I-IV [2] for a few bucks. Oh, and DRM free. [1] http://theslip.nin.com/ http://theslip.nin.com/ (completely free) [2] http://ghosts.nin.com/ http://ghosts.nin.com/ (order includes a "free" option, but only paid one offers lossless and pro through BitTorrent) The NIN BitTorrent system includes a token that will allow you to start the download "once" (in fact it seems you can start the download many times during a limited time span, then any started download will be allowed to complete even past that cut-off, but the tracker will refuse new fresh downloads). The system is strict enough to prevent blatant copy-pasting and email the download link, yet resilient enough to not get in your way. BT is a data transport medium with perfectly valid use cases. It can very helpfully reduce swarm costs on various intense digital products releases. It's basically bandwidth parallelization and DHT helps to palliate possible tracker downtimes/overloading. It's a shame official release channels don't use it more.

hafif 15y ago
exactly. it's the cheapest content distribution method on the planet. even amazon s3 supports it. i think a service utilizing this is totally justified