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Covered your first point in my other comment here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25670543 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25670543. Not copy-pasting

Covered your first point in my other comment here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25670543 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25670543. Not copy-pasting because I don't want to come off as spammy. Isn't MTProto proprietary as well? Also, the option to delete on a periodic basis is not an alternative to not having things stored in the first place. That said, there is no way you can verify that copies are not retained on the servers in either case (WhatsApp or Telegram) so there's not much to argue there.

fsflover 6y ago
> Isn't MTProto proprietary as well? Clients are open-source, so you can see the code for e2e encryption. > That said, there is no way you can verify that copies are not retained on the servers in either case (WhatsApp or Telegram) so there's not much to argue there. This is exactly true, so I actually prefer Matrix.
- approxim8ion 6y ago
  > Clients are open-source, so you can see the code for e2e encryption. Cool. Unfortunately the cases where it's applicable are too limited for my liking. > Matrix. Matrix is great, I just wish I had more luck onboarding my network onto it. I really enjoy using Element.