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Here's what's going to happen when you read this and respond (if you choose to). In response to links 1 and 2, you're going to post some kind of "fact check" w

Here's what's going to happen when you read this and respond (if you choose to). In response to links 1 and 2, you're going to post some kind of "fact check" which is no more than a "he-said-she-said" rebuttal from the very people who must be prosecuted for the theft in the first place. And in response to links 3 and 4, you're going to insist that they're isolated events and don't represent a pattern. In both cases, I'll have presented evidence, and you won't have. https://www.projectveritas.com/news/las-vegas-mailman-agrees-to-pass-on-a-nice-handful-of-unclaimed-ballots-to/ https://www.projectveritas.com/news/las-vegas-mailman-agrees... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVP_60Hm4P8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVP_60Hm4P8 https://nypost.com/2020/11/02/dead-people-caught-voting-in-nyc-elections-records-show/ https://nypost.com/2020/11/02/dead-people-caught-voting-in-n... https://100percentfedup.com/video-yes-dead-people-did-vote-in-the-2020-election/ https://100percentfedup.com/video-yes-dead-people-did-vote-i...

Jochim 6y ago
1. Is evidence that the mail man should be disciplined or fired, not of a mountain of fraud. 2. You've literally proved my point about ignoring any kind of context with this one. The title intentionally misrepresents what is happening from the outset by misqualifying the containers ballots are regularly stored in as suitcases. It's not attempting to raise a concern about the election process, it's attempting to incense people with a particular ideology. This is further reinforced when you entirely ignore the testimony of anyone with any knowledge of how the ballot counting process is carried out, including ignoring the fact that any of the independent observers that the officials alleged to have left of their own volition could easily challenge that claim at any point. 3/4. All you've done here is prove that the methods already in place are effective at catching people who try to cast a dead person's vote. Throughout this you've entirely ignored the fact that these discrepancies have been brought to people's attention and that they are either pure conjecture or on the level of individual misconduct. Any actions required to have /any/ effect whatsoever would be much more obvious and would have been put. > I'll have presented evidence, and you won't have. You've provided absolutely no evidence of the kind of mass fraud you're asserting has happened, once again isolated incidents will happen and in general they will be caught. Fraud mountain is a fiction of Trump's fucked up ego, and is evidenced by the fact that the absolutely overwhelming majority of votes have been agreed as legitimate by both independent and partisan observers.
- slumdev 6y ago
  This is evidence of fraud. You're asserting without any evidence (as I predicted) that these are isolated incidents. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. We may never know the exact amount of fraud that occurred because the left, mass media, and establishment Republicans are intent on forging ahead with the so-called President-elect without conducting a robust investigation of the claims. At this point, it looks like the theft could be successful.
  - Jochim 6y ago
    You have no proof that any fraud exists beyond the small amounts that have been brought up or dismissed, yet you are repeatedly asserting that everything is thrown into doubt by the utterly insignificant instances you've brought up. If a cashier is caught stealing you don't then assume the whole shop was stealing. At this point you appear to be out to run an inquisition. You've decided there is a widespread heretic problem and now any deviance found are an excuse to overstate the problem further, even if they can be rationally explained. I urge you to do some self reflection as to why you think the election was stolen because the arguments you're currently tangled up in are exactly what lead to the mess in the Capitol, an event which only made it more untenable for more moderate republicans to continue supporting you.
    - slumdev 6y ago
      If a cashier is caught stealing, you don't assume it's his first time. And you'd be wise to at least investigate whether his comrades have also been stealing. You'd be a complete idiot to assume that it was a single instance and no other theft is occurring in your shop.
      - Jochim 6y ago
        In this case the shop is full of security cameras and they've been watched by members of both parties as well as third parties. Once again if fraud had taken place there has been enough scrutiny to turn up more than a single dodgy mail man and a counting station in georgia where no one who knows how the counting process works has challenged the explanation given. Trump lost, he didn't like it and immediately denied he lost with zero evidence to the contrary. It was only afterwards that he went searching for any evidence that fit his narrative, fabricating it where there was none and catastrophising the cases where illegitimate votes were cast.

Jochim 6y ago

1. Is evidence that the mail man should be disciplined or fired, not of a mountain of fraud. 2. You've literally proved my point about ignoring any kind of context with this one. The title intentionally misrepresents what is happening from the outset by misqualifying the containers ballots are regularly stored in as suitcases. It's not attempting to raise a concern about the election process, it's attempting to incense people with a particular ideology. This is further reinforced when you entirely ignore the testimony of anyone with any knowledge of how the ballot counting process is carried out, including ignoring the fact that any of the independent observers that the officials alleged to have left of their own volition could easily challenge that claim at any point. 3/4. All you've done here is prove that the methods already in place are effective at catching people who try to cast a dead person's vote. Throughout this you've entirely ignored the fact that these discrepancies have been brought to people's attention and that they are either pure conjecture or on the level of individual misconduct. Any actions required to have /any/ effect whatsoever would be much more obvious and would have been put. > I'll have presented evidence, and you won't have. You've provided absolutely no evidence of the kind of mass fraud you're asserting has happened, once again isolated incidents will happen and in general they will be caught. Fraud mountain is a fiction of Trump's fucked up ego, and is evidenced by the fact that the absolutely overwhelming majority of votes have been agreed as legitimate by both independent and partisan observers.

slumdev 6y ago
This is evidence of fraud. You're asserting without any evidence (as I predicted) that these are isolated incidents. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. We may never know the exact amount of fraud that occurred because the left, mass media, and establishment Republicans are intent on forging ahead with the so-called President-elect without conducting a robust investigation of the claims. At this point, it looks like the theft could be successful.
- Jochim 6y ago
  You have no proof that any fraud exists beyond the small amounts that have been brought up or dismissed, yet you are repeatedly asserting that everything is thrown into doubt by the utterly insignificant instances you've brought up. If a cashier is caught stealing you don't then assume the whole shop was stealing. At this point you appear to be out to run an inquisition. You've decided there is a widespread heretic problem and now any deviance found are an excuse to overstate the problem further, even if they can be rationally explained. I urge you to do some self reflection as to why you think the election was stolen because the arguments you're currently tangled up in are exactly what lead to the mess in the Capitol, an event which only made it more untenable for more moderate republicans to continue supporting you.
  - slumdev 6y ago
    If a cashier is caught stealing, you don't assume it's his first time. And you'd be wise to at least investigate whether his comrades have also been stealing. You'd be a complete idiot to assume that it was a single instance and no other theft is occurring in your shop.
    - Jochim 6y ago
      In this case the shop is full of security cameras and they've been watched by members of both parties as well as third parties. Once again if fraud had taken place there has been enough scrutiny to turn up more than a single dodgy mail man and a counting station in georgia where no one who knows how the counting process works has challenged the explanation given. Trump lost, he didn't like it and immediately denied he lost with zero evidence to the contrary. It was only afterwards that he went searching for any evidence that fit his narrative, fabricating it where there was none and catastrophising the cases where illegitimate votes were cast.