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Although they're client/server encrypted, I think contextually it was obvious that the person was talking about end-to-end encryption. "Encrypted chat" means e

Although they're client/server encrypted, I think contextually it was obvious that the person was talking about end-to-end encryption. "Encrypted chat" means end-to-end encrypted, if it's used to mean client/server encrypted then that's misleading.

eitland 6y ago
Encryped chat might mean E2E-encrypted yes, but even then why not add those four extra letters "E2E-" and make it obvious? Besides, here is what I replied to: > As a reminder, Telegram groups are not encrypted at all[...] (emphasis mine) This is very possible to misunderstand for someone who isn't aware and the result might easily be that they stay in their abusive relationship with WhatsApp because of such FUD. As can probably be seen from my comment history I'm no stranger to criticizing Telegram but we should stick to the facts. Facts matter.
- Quiark 6y ago
  I still fail to see how switching from fully E2E encrypted WhatsApp to most-of-the-time NOT E2E encrypted Telegram is an improvement.
  - eitland 6y ago
    Because unlike with Facebook no one has been able to show a single example of Telegram abusing their customers even once. Let me use an example: Would you want to ride the absolutely bulletproof and soundproof taxi that has one disadvantage: that it is well known that the drivers make notes about who you are and who you visit and sell that data to companies like Cambridge Analytica? Or would you take another more ordinary taxi that might not be armoured and soundproof and might or might not log your visits - but at least no one has caught them red handed? The answer depends on who you are I guess: [edit: if your main fear is that someone might be listening to your conversations and you don't care if the known shady taxi company logs who you visit, go with armoured, bulletproof taxi. I admit] there are times when E2E is a massive difference but for me this is mostly about preventing future Cambridge Analytica situations.
    - Quiark 6y ago
      That depends whether shooting at taxis on the street is a regular thing.
      - skinkestek 6y ago
        I think that was GPs exact point: there are times when bulletproof is important and in such cases you absolutely should go for it. But most of the time and most places it is just a giant waste.
  - jorvi 6y ago
    Because Telegram doesn't gobble up all your metadata to sell to advertisers & malcontents. Who you talk to at what moment and from what location is equally as valuable as the content of your messages.

eitland 6y ago

Encryped chat might mean E2E-encrypted yes, but even then why not add those four extra letters "E2E-" and make it obvious? Besides, here is what I replied to: > As a reminder, Telegram groups are not encrypted at all[...] (emphasis mine) This is very possible to misunderstand for someone who isn't aware and the result might easily be that they stay in their abusive relationship with WhatsApp because of such FUD. As can probably be seen from my comment history I'm no stranger to criticizing Telegram but we should stick to the facts. Facts matter.

Quiark 6y ago
I still fail to see how switching from fully E2E encrypted WhatsApp to most-of-the-time NOT E2E encrypted Telegram is an improvement.
- eitland 6y ago
  Because unlike with Facebook no one has been able to show a single example of Telegram abusing their customers even once. Let me use an example: Would you want to ride the absolutely bulletproof and soundproof taxi that has one disadvantage: that it is well known that the drivers make notes about who you are and who you visit and sell that data to companies like Cambridge Analytica? Or would you take another more ordinary taxi that might not be armoured and soundproof and might or might not log your visits - but at least no one has caught them red handed? The answer depends on who you are I guess: [edit: if your main fear is that someone might be listening to your conversations and you don't care if the known shady taxi company logs who you visit, go with armoured, bulletproof taxi. I admit] there are times when E2E is a massive difference but for me this is mostly about preventing future Cambridge Analytica situations.
  - Quiark 6y ago
    That depends whether shooting at taxis on the street is a regular thing.
    - skinkestek 6y ago
      I think that was GPs exact point: there are times when bulletproof is important and in such cases you absolutely should go for it. But most of the time and most places it is just a giant waste.
- jorvi 6y ago
  Because Telegram doesn't gobble up all your metadata to sell to advertisers & malcontents. Who you talk to at what moment and from what location is equally as valuable as the content of your messages.