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'Objectively pretty tame'? That's a pretty rich. It's only 'tame' because of the police treated these (mostly white) protestors with kid gloves, and because the

by yxwvut 6y ago

'Objectively pretty tame'? That's a pretty rich. It's only 'tame' because of the police treated these (mostly white) protestors with kid gloves, and because the barricaded doors allowed a safe retreat of the congresspeople. Your portrayal of the shooting of a woman actively trying to smash into the floor of the senate with the senators and VPOTUS inside as equatable to police brutality is laughable. These people were trying (fruitlessly) to stage a violent subversion of democracy and openly threatened the highest elected officials in the nation.

DuskStar 6y ago
> Your portrayal of the shooting of a woman actively trying to smash into the floor of the senate with the senators and VPOTUS inside as equatable to police brutality is laughable. Well, another recent example of "police brutality" was shooting a guy holding a knife who was trying to get into a car with kids, after attempting nonlethal takedowns. I think that's quite comparable.
vorpalhex 6y ago
They shot one, hosed them all down with tear gas and OC to the point of a police officer needing medical attention for too much OC exposure, and 3 other protestors are dead for unlisted causes. If that had happened when protestors burned down a police station, destroyed miles of shops, threw molotov cocktails at a federal courthouse or any of the other riots in the past few months, there would be half of our politicians shouting to end all policing.
- yxwvut 6y ago
  Are you genuinely arguing that the show of force displayed here was greater or more disproportionate than that displayed last summer?
  - vorpalhex 6y ago
    How many unarmed protestors got shot center mass with 9mm by cops in those protests?
    - yxwvut 6y ago
      About as many as were trying to violently break into an in-session senate floor accompanied by an angry, armed mob intent on overthrowing the government.
      - vorpalhex 6y ago
        Sorry, were the protestors who burned down a police station or occupied a block of Seattle unarmed? I'm pretty sure they had rifles, compared to our insurrectionists which had.. flagpoles? Or is trespassing on federal property worth a death sentence now?
        TheCoelacanth 6y ago
        She was literally charging at the people the police were protecting. You could not come up with a more justified police shooting.
        zaroth 6y ago
        It’s always a tragedy when police have to kill a assailant instead of apprehending them. Particularly when the assailant is unarmed. There have been countless situations more dangerous to the lives of police or bystanders than this, where the assailant was not killed. But perhaps none with so many “important” people in the same room.
        zaroth 6y ago
        Edit: Graphic video of the police shooting. [1] They could have easily arrested her. They shot and killed her instead. She had no weapon and had made no physical contact with any officer. Just shot as she came through the door. At the same time, there are a half dozen well armed officers on the same side of the door as the protestors who are not being attacked and freely arrive at the scene within seconds of the shooting. [1] - https://twitter.com/dancohen3000/status/1347076676342185984?s=21 https://twitter.com/dancohen3000/status/1347076676342185984?...
stef25 6y ago
> These people were trying (fruitlessly) to stage a violent subversion of democracy and openly threatened the highest elected officials in the nation. You're giving them too much credit. They got in. Then what? It was like a carnival, walking off with furniture, posing for pictures, smiling while sitting in important chairs. Lots of screaming, a few broken windows. In a country where you can buy guns in supermarkets, they didn't fire a single shot. They could have set fire to the place, taken people hostage. It could have been so much worse. Most of those people probably couldn't subvert or overturn anything more than a paper bag.
- tsimionescu 6y ago
  That is irrelevant. The intent was to overturn the election. The fact that they were incompetent or not sufficiently dedicated to their cause to be willing to die for it is no excuse for letting it get to where it did.
- standardUser 6y ago
  Perhaps if the insurgents had faced the same violent police response as BLM protestors the outcome would have been very different. But if the police let you in instead of engaging in violent escalation, why not pose for pictures and have a chat?
- pvaldes 6y ago
  >They got in, then what? they didn't fire a single shot Then: four people killed There are lots of ways to do harm without shooting. Many politicians are elder. Somebody could have suffered a heart attack, Biden for example... and then what?. And some of the rioters were trained professional soldiers. Do they had access to harmful substances?, chemical poisons?, Nobody knows. Do we remember the 2001 Anthrax mail attacks to democrat senators and journalists finally linked to a Fort Detrick employee?. In fact is even easier, in the middle of a pandemic just collaborating to spread a lethal virus between smiles and selfies would do the job. Videos show people touching three times each inch of the same knob door in a minute for no evident reason. Those people was armed, organized, directed and manipulated.
- o-__-o 6y ago
anonfornoreason 6y ago
And what do you call the attempts to burn down a federal courthouse in Portland, with people inside of it?

by yxwvut 6y ago

DuskStar 6y ago

> Your portrayal of the shooting of a woman actively trying to smash into the floor of the senate with the senators and VPOTUS inside as equatable to police brutality is laughable. Well, another recent example of "police brutality" was shooting a guy holding a knife who was trying to get into a car with kids, after attempting nonlethal takedowns. I think that's quite comparable.

vorpalhex 6y ago

They shot one, hosed them all down with tear gas and OC to the point of a police officer needing medical attention for too much OC exposure, and 3 other protestors are dead for unlisted causes. If that had happened when protestors burned down a police station, destroyed miles of shops, threw molotov cocktails at a federal courthouse or any of the other riots in the past few months, there would be half of our politicians shouting to end all policing.

yxwvut 6y ago
Are you genuinely arguing that the show of force displayed here was greater or more disproportionate than that displayed last summer?
- vorpalhex 6y ago
  How many unarmed protestors got shot center mass with 9mm by cops in those protests?
  - yxwvut 6y ago
    About as many as were trying to violently break into an in-session senate floor accompanied by an angry, armed mob intent on overthrowing the government.
    - vorpalhex 6y ago
      Sorry, were the protestors who burned down a police station or occupied a block of Seattle unarmed? I'm pretty sure they had rifles, compared to our insurrectionists which had.. flagpoles? Or is trespassing on federal property worth a death sentence now?
      - TheCoelacanth 6y ago
        She was literally charging at the people the police were protecting. You could not come up with a more justified police shooting.
        zaroth 6y ago
        It’s always a tragedy when police have to kill a assailant instead of apprehending them. Particularly when the assailant is unarmed. There have been countless situations more dangerous to the lives of police or bystanders than this, where the assailant was not killed. But perhaps none with so many “important” people in the same room.
        zaroth 6y ago
        Edit: Graphic video of the police shooting. [1] They could have easily arrested her. They shot and killed her instead. She had no weapon and had made no physical contact with any officer. Just shot as she came through the door. At the same time, there are a half dozen well armed officers on the same side of the door as the protestors who are not being attacked and freely arrive at the scene within seconds of the shooting. [1] - https://twitter.com/dancohen3000/status/1347076676342185984?s=21 https://twitter.com/dancohen3000/status/1347076676342185984?...

stef25 6y ago

> These people were trying (fruitlessly) to stage a violent subversion of democracy and openly threatened the highest elected officials in the nation. You're giving them too much credit. They got in. Then what? It was like a carnival, walking off with furniture, posing for pictures, smiling while sitting in important chairs. Lots of screaming, a few broken windows. In a country where you can buy guns in supermarkets, they didn't fire a single shot. They could have set fire to the place, taken people hostage. It could have been so much worse. Most of those people probably couldn't subvert or overturn anything more than a paper bag.

tsimionescu 6y ago
That is irrelevant. The intent was to overturn the election. The fact that they were incompetent or not sufficiently dedicated to their cause to be willing to die for it is no excuse for letting it get to where it did.
standardUser 6y ago
Perhaps if the insurgents had faced the same violent police response as BLM protestors the outcome would have been very different. But if the police let you in instead of engaging in violent escalation, why not pose for pictures and have a chat?
pvaldes 6y ago
>They got in, then what? they didn't fire a single shot Then: four people killed There are lots of ways to do harm without shooting. Many politicians are elder. Somebody could have suffered a heart attack, Biden for example... and then what?. And some of the rioters were trained professional soldiers. Do they had access to harmful substances?, chemical poisons?, Nobody knows. Do we remember the 2001 Anthrax mail attacks to democrat senators and journalists finally linked to a Fort Detrick employee?. In fact is even easier, in the middle of a pandemic just collaborating to spread a lethal virus between smiles and selfies would do the job. Videos show people touching three times each inch of the same knob door in a minute for no evident reason. Those people was armed, organized, directed and manipulated.
o-__-o 6y ago

anonfornoreason 6y ago

And what do you call the attempts to burn down a federal courthouse in Portland, with people inside of it?