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HN desiring more authoritarian rule simply because it was the other side. I think the election fraud accusations are completely bogus, but holy shit, do you peo

HN desiring more authoritarian rule simply because it was the other side. I think the election fraud accusations are completely bogus, but holy shit, do you people listen to yourselves??

tsimionescu 6y ago
Who here is asking for authoritarian rule? Demanding that police protect democratic institutions from fascist mobs is not 'authoritarianism' by any stretch of the imagination. It is not acceptable for the certification of the legal election to even be delayed as it has by a mob. I assure you that I would believe the same if pro-Hillary crowds would have amassed in hopes of convincing or forcing Congress to overturn the electors vote in 2016. Especially if police had done little to deter them.
- zaroth 6y ago
  You have to remember we spent most of 2020 being gaslit by the media about “mostly peaceful protests” where people were being assassinated, $2 billion in property damage, a Federal courthouse attacked for weeks, and entire city blocks seized for days by protestors. After spending the last 4 years hearing that Trump conspired with the Russians to steal his election. But this suddenly is a mob committing treason and sedition.
  - tsimionescu 6y ago
    The protests were mostly peaceful, which still leaves room for plenty of looting and killing. Don't forget that a lot of the killing was actually performed by policemen and fascist groups/individuals AGAINST the protesters. The attacked federal courthouse is also a nice contrast - despite weeks of trying, the protesters never made it inside the courthouse. The fascists trying fruiessly to overthrow the election last night however made it inside Congress while it was in session. The Russia conspiracy theory was a massive red herring, but it also didn't succeed in motivating people to try to overturn the election. Hillary Clinton conceded her election immediately following the result estimates, and Obama immediately started the transition process with Trump's people. There were no lawsuits seeking to disenfranchise 5 million voters for vague reasons. The democratic quibbling about Trump's legitimacy was just that - quibbling. To compare this to what Trump and his cronies have been doing since the election is laughable.
    - zaroth 6y ago
      Here’s a picture of DC, and not from last night: https://twitter.com/unsafespace/status/1347273909280923648?s=21 https://twitter.com/unsafespace/status/1347273909280923648?s... Turns out that Viking Man is actually a paid actor from Arizona. I don’t think you could make this stuff up if you tried. First unarmed person shot to death by police in 2021 was Ashli Babbit. I think you can choose to take a principled stand in support of protestors, or maybe you can call people who shutdown courts or congress and takeover city blocks domestic terrorists, but you don’t get to pick and choose one side or the other depending on whether you agree with the protestors or not.

HN desiring more authoritarian rule simply because it was the other side. I think the election fraud accusations are completely bogus, but holy shit, do you people listen to yourselves??

tsimionescu 6y ago

Who here is asking for authoritarian rule? Demanding that police protect democratic institutions from fascist mobs is not 'authoritarianism' by any stretch of the imagination. It is not acceptable for the certification of the legal election to even be delayed as it has by a mob. I assure you that I would believe the same if pro-Hillary crowds would have amassed in hopes of convincing or forcing Congress to overturn the electors vote in 2016. Especially if police had done little to deter them.

zaroth 6y ago
You have to remember we spent most of 2020 being gaslit by the media about “mostly peaceful protests” where people were being assassinated, $2 billion in property damage, a Federal courthouse attacked for weeks, and entire city blocks seized for days by protestors. After spending the last 4 years hearing that Trump conspired with the Russians to steal his election. But this suddenly is a mob committing treason and sedition.
- tsimionescu 6y ago
  The protests were mostly peaceful, which still leaves room for plenty of looting and killing. Don't forget that a lot of the killing was actually performed by policemen and fascist groups/individuals AGAINST the protesters. The attacked federal courthouse is also a nice contrast - despite weeks of trying, the protesters never made it inside the courthouse. The fascists trying fruiessly to overthrow the election last night however made it inside Congress while it was in session. The Russia conspiracy theory was a massive red herring, but it also didn't succeed in motivating people to try to overturn the election. Hillary Clinton conceded her election immediately following the result estimates, and Obama immediately started the transition process with Trump's people. There were no lawsuits seeking to disenfranchise 5 million voters for vague reasons. The democratic quibbling about Trump's legitimacy was just that - quibbling. To compare this to what Trump and his cronies have been doing since the election is laughable.
  - zaroth 6y ago
    Here’s a picture of DC, and not from last night: https://twitter.com/unsafespace/status/1347273909280923648?s=21 https://twitter.com/unsafespace/status/1347273909280923648?s... Turns out that Viking Man is actually a paid actor from Arizona. I don’t think you could make this stuff up if you tried. First unarmed person shot to death by police in 2021 was Ashli Babbit. I think you can choose to take a principled stand in support of protestors, or maybe you can call people who shutdown courts or congress and takeover city blocks domestic terrorists, but you don’t get to pick and choose one side or the other depending on whether you agree with the protestors or not.