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Protestors didn’t force themselves into the Reichstag in Germany. There were standing in front of it and were talking selfies. If you think those three police

Protestors didn’t force themselves into the Reichstag in Germany. There were standing in front of it and were talking selfies. If you think those three police officers at the Reichstag would have stopped those protestors if they action had wanted to storm the building, you are delusional. Oh, and not too long before that Greenpeace members actually climbed the Reichstag and unrolled an anti-coal banner. Just that the media didn’t frame this into “an attack on democracy”.

phalangion 6y ago
To attack democracy is precisely the goal of this protest, though. The democratic election is complete, the results didn’t go their way, and in the midst of the final certification of results, these people broke into the Capitol to disrupt the process. That seems like an attack on democracy to me. If not that, what was their goal?
- OJFord 6y ago
  Well to be fair, isn't it their apparent belief that the results did go their way, but <.. something conspiratorial..>? So they presumably at least notionally feel that the attack on democracy has already happened, and they are... I don't know, defending it?
  - phalangion 6y ago
    Perhaps, but to what end? So they breached the Capitol and disrupted Congress. Then what?
  - kordlessagain 6y ago
    They believe what they believe and they also hold the idea that if that belief is threatened by facts, there must ALWAYS be an alternate narrative that allows them to continue to believe what they believe. This is because Trump himself is strong in this means of building an internal fantasy reality and then presenting it to others (irrationally) which then either causes them to believe it or come to understand his ego is the issue here. If you listen to him, he's constantly negating what he just said, which comes across as open to interpretation (or completely insane). No one man or woman is above the law. Factual information is arrived at by consensus of people. That a certain group of people in this country refuse to accept or participate in the consensus mechanism (or threaten or dismiss that mechanism) then those people are against whatever it is that forms the consensus, such as the constitution, the US Govt., etc. This is how dictatorships are born and it would do these people well to understand that replacing their made up fears with a dictator is not going to help anyone.
dubbel 6y ago
The protestors in front of the German Reichtags clearly wanted to get into the building, but were stopped by the reinforced glass doors and the three police officers, who acted very differently from what I saw until now from the Capitol Police [1]. In the end the three officers in front of the Reichtag were able to act this way, because they knew that reinforcements in the form of 100 riot police were only 200 meters away. Badly positioned to prevent the initial compromise of the perimeter, but still there to handle a protest like this. [1] Video of the incident in Germany. I think the intent of the protestors to enter the building is visible: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdX5952CFTU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdX5952CFTU

phalangion 6y ago

To attack democracy is precisely the goal of this protest, though. The democratic election is complete, the results didn’t go their way, and in the midst of the final certification of results, these people broke into the Capitol to disrupt the process. That seems like an attack on democracy to me. If not that, what was their goal?

OJFord 6y ago
Well to be fair, isn't it their apparent belief that the results did go their way, but <.. something conspiratorial..>? So they presumably at least notionally feel that the attack on democracy has already happened, and they are... I don't know, defending it?
- phalangion 6y ago
  Perhaps, but to what end? So they breached the Capitol and disrupted Congress. Then what?
- kordlessagain 6y ago
  They believe what they believe and they also hold the idea that if that belief is threatened by facts, there must ALWAYS be an alternate narrative that allows them to continue to believe what they believe. This is because Trump himself is strong in this means of building an internal fantasy reality and then presenting it to others (irrationally) which then either causes them to believe it or come to understand his ego is the issue here. If you listen to him, he's constantly negating what he just said, which comes across as open to interpretation (or completely insane). No one man or woman is above the law. Factual information is arrived at by consensus of people. That a certain group of people in this country refuse to accept or participate in the consensus mechanism (or threaten or dismiss that mechanism) then those people are against whatever it is that forms the consensus, such as the constitution, the US Govt., etc. This is how dictatorships are born and it would do these people well to understand that replacing their made up fears with a dictator is not going to help anyone.

dubbel 6y ago

The protestors in front of the German Reichtags clearly wanted to get into the building, but were stopped by the reinforced glass doors and the three police officers, who acted very differently from what I saw until now from the Capitol Police [1]. In the end the three officers in front of the Reichtag were able to act this way, because they knew that reinforcements in the form of 100 riot police were only 200 meters away. Badly positioned to prevent the initial compromise of the perimeter, but still there to handle a protest like this. [1] Video of the incident in Germany. I think the intent of the protestors to enter the building is visible: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdX5952CFTU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdX5952CFTU