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https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2020/06/08/14-days-of-protests-19-dead/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2020/06/08/14-days... 19 dead in 2

by antris 6y ago

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2020/06/08/14-days-of-protests-19-dead/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2020/06/08/14-days... 19 dead in 2 weeks, without any aggression even close to what happened yesterday. It's obvious that the death toll would be higher if BLM protestors were as aggressive as the Trump protestors yesterday.

leereeves 6y ago
> without any aggression even close to what happened yesterday What? From your link: > Dave Patrick Underwood...was shot May 30 while on guard duty outside a federal courthouse in Oakland and was one of two officers targeted in a drive-by shooting amid nearby protests. > David Dorn...the retired St. Louis police captain was killed by people looting a pawn shop > [one person] was killed trying to blow up an ATM on the sidewalk. > Marvin Francois...was fatally shot after a protest in Kansas City on May 31, with police reporting his killers were three men attempting to steal his car. > a number of police officers are also recovering from injuries from shootings, stabbings, and objects thrown at them during protests. I do stand corrected. Including the violence by civilians (whether protestors, looters, rioters, or business owners), the leftist protests did lead to a lot more bloodshed. I misunderstood and thought you were talking solely about the police. Your link only identifies one as killed by police: > Jorge Gomez, 25, Las Vegas: Gomez was shot by officers during a protest that turned violent on June 1; Gomez was armed and allegedly pulled a gun at officers. And one as possibly killed by police, with no evidence: > David McAtee...was shot on the morning of June 1 as National Guard troops and local police tried to disperse crowds of protestors in Louisville...two of the officers involved in the shooting had not activated body cameras. Following up on most of the others, they were reportedly murdered by other civilians for unknown reasons. It's not even clear those deaths are related to the protests. It matters who killed those who died, and why.
- antris 6y ago
  >Including the violence by civilians (whether we call them protestors or not), the leftist protests did lead to a lot more bloodshed. I misunderstood and thought you were talking solely about the police. I was. Most of the victims during the protests were black. You cherry picked quotes from the article to support your views. The reality is that a peaceful BLM protest was dispersed with greater violence so that the president can pose across the street with a bible, than a mob attacking and storming the Capitol.
  - wolco3 6y ago
    Most of the deaths occurred outside of the capital. Many were caused by blm protester attacking another.
    - Taurenking 6y ago
      Or a blm protestor attacking a citizen trying to protect their livelihood. But most people will probably turn a blind eye because it doesn't fit the narrative (blm riots = peaceful protests, capitol riots = domestic terrorism) Makes me chuckle that the result of this + the deplatforming of most of the opposition will only result in even more extremism and separation in the US. I guess you reap what you sow
  - leereeves 6y ago
    If you were only talking about people killed by police, why did you provide a list of 19 people, at least 17 of whom weren't killed by police?
wolco3 6y ago
You think all protestors are the same? The level of violence at blm protests were a lot higher for a lot longer in a lot more places. The age groups were opposite. The weapons usage by protestors were much higher and the trepassing on private property didn't exist here. Besides by nightfall the protest was done blm protests turned violent at night.

by antris 6y ago

leereeves 6y ago

> without any aggression even close to what happened yesterday What? From your link: > Dave Patrick Underwood...was shot May 30 while on guard duty outside a federal courthouse in Oakland and was one of two officers targeted in a drive-by shooting amid nearby protests. > David Dorn...the retired St. Louis police captain was killed by people looting a pawn shop > [one person] was killed trying to blow up an ATM on the sidewalk. > Marvin Francois...was fatally shot after a protest in Kansas City on May 31, with police reporting his killers were three men attempting to steal his car. > a number of police officers are also recovering from injuries from shootings, stabbings, and objects thrown at them during protests. I do stand corrected. Including the violence by civilians (whether protestors, looters, rioters, or business owners), the leftist protests did lead to a lot more bloodshed. I misunderstood and thought you were talking solely about the police. Your link only identifies one as killed by police: > Jorge Gomez, 25, Las Vegas: Gomez was shot by officers during a protest that turned violent on June 1; Gomez was armed and allegedly pulled a gun at officers. And one as possibly killed by police, with no evidence: > David McAtee...was shot on the morning of June 1 as National Guard troops and local police tried to disperse crowds of protestors in Louisville...two of the officers involved in the shooting had not activated body cameras. Following up on most of the others, they were reportedly murdered by other civilians for unknown reasons. It's not even clear those deaths are related to the protests. It matters who killed those who died, and why.

antris 6y ago
>Including the violence by civilians (whether we call them protestors or not), the leftist protests did lead to a lot more bloodshed. I misunderstood and thought you were talking solely about the police. I was. Most of the victims during the protests were black. You cherry picked quotes from the article to support your views. The reality is that a peaceful BLM protest was dispersed with greater violence so that the president can pose across the street with a bible, than a mob attacking and storming the Capitol.
- wolco3 6y ago
  Most of the deaths occurred outside of the capital. Many were caused by blm protester attacking another.
  - Taurenking 6y ago
    Or a blm protestor attacking a citizen trying to protect their livelihood. But most people will probably turn a blind eye because it doesn't fit the narrative (blm riots = peaceful protests, capitol riots = domestic terrorism) Makes me chuckle that the result of this + the deplatforming of most of the opposition will only result in even more extremism and separation in the US. I guess you reap what you sow
- leereeves 6y ago
  If you were only talking about people killed by police, why did you provide a list of 19 people, at least 17 of whom weren't killed by police?

wolco3 6y ago

You think all protestors are the same? The level of violence at blm protests were a lot higher for a lot longer in a lot more places. The age groups were opposite. The weapons usage by protestors were much higher and the trepassing on private property didn't exist here. Besides by nightfall the protest was done blm protests turned violent at night.