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> In the end, a guy in buffalo costume fooling around on the senate floor is better than puddles of blood. The police executed a lady who was trying to climb t

> In the end, a guy in buffalo costume fooling around on the senate floor is better than puddles of blood. The police executed a lady who was trying to climb through a broken window in the building. There are photos and videos of her literally dying in puddle of her own blood. [0] https://heavy.com/news/ashli-babbit/ https://heavy.com/news/ashli-babbit/ [1] https://twitter.com/Ashli_Babbitt/status/1345125644888281088 https://twitter.com/Ashli_Babbitt/status/1345125644888281088

saberdancer 6y ago
As far as I can tell, there were police officers on the other side of the door (where Babbitt was). Police officer shouldn't have shot her. His life was not in danger. I'm against the storming of Capitol, but this type of shooting should not be allowed.
- chefkoch 6y ago
  I think in this case it's not only about your life beeing in danger, try this at any milittary base and the chances of getting shot are also quite high i guess.
  - saberdancer 6y ago
    Yes, but the difference is here that the police obviously let the protestors inside the building. Once that happened, the police and protestors were mixed and there was no real power struggle. Police looks like they were keeping an eye, but no one was fighting. This guy who shot turned a situation that could have been handled with a baton into a deadly situation. He could have created a worse situation, imagine if a protestor had a gun behind this woman and a gunfight erupted. Completely unnecessary.
    - chefkoch 6y ago
      While i completely agree that this was all unnecessary and a complete fuckup (Trump not calling the national guard, police clearly had a shitty tactic) But i don't think you can hold this "let them in" up high. They didn't invite them in, they let them in because of fear of beeing overrun/escalation. If a mob is in front of your house and threatens to burn it down if you won't let them in, there is no claim you invited them in If you do out of fear. They should have blasted them of the stairs with watercannons, but idk what the plan was.
      - saberdancer 6y ago
        I mostly agree with you. Police should have blasted them off the stairs and/or held the cordon at the top of the steps. It would be easier to do and should be easily planned for. If someone died there while trying to break through it would be much more understandable than this.
- guns_on_the_run 6y ago
  Agreed, police officers should rarely be shooting anyone. And certainly not those who are merely trespassing. There are plenty of options for stopping a person going into a place, that don't involve executing or seriously wounding them. It should be a grave concern for every citizen that the police generally have so few qualms about firing their guns at people. The police should have attempted to deescalate this situation with a minimum of violence - not the maximum.
  - bigbluedots 6y ago
    I guess you think the police should just let those 'mere trespassers' get close enough to the representatives to pose for a photo? Maybe hold the camera?
  - Thlom 6y ago
    For some reason I have seen a vide of the shooting and it looks like the person shooting is in a suite? Is it normal that police officers wear a suite?
    - saberdancer 6y ago
      They reported that it was a plain clothes police officer. My guess is that some of the Capitol police wear plain clothes. They are usually not in public.
chefkoch 6y ago
Getting shot by security a while trying to climb through a smashed window can hardly be called a execution. These are the guys who called the killings of Rittenhouse self defense.
- guns_on_the_run 6y ago
  Shooting an unarmed protestor who is merely trespassing is absolutely an execution. Just as Rittenhouse's shootings were.
  - zaroth 6y ago
    Whether I agree or disagree is secondary, I am just so glad to see some logically consistent thought! There have been a lot of violent protests in the last 12 months, this being just the latest example. It’s nothing if not a great litmus test for anyone speaking or writing about protestors or policing protests.
  - chefkoch 6y ago
    What is your definition of trespassing? As a non american i would think that trepassing is beeing on someone elses property without permission, not beeing with a violent mob storming a gouvernemnt building with the (at minimum) intent to destroy stuff and breaking the democratic process. And Rittenhouse was clearly looking for trouble, i don't think a black perosn could Go fully armed to a KKK rally and claim self defense if started shooting people after beeing harassed there.
- marcusverus 6y ago
  Rittenhouse was in the open, chased and later surrounded by hostile protesters who variously threw things at him, hit him, and attempted to take his rifle. The NYT reported that there had been gunfire as Rittenhouse retreated, and he may have thought it was aimed at him. The Policeman was with a number of other cops. They had ample room and time to retreat. There was a closed and barricaded door between him and the woman he shot. He fired the first shot. They both have a case for self-defense, but the Cop's case is going to be a harder sell.
pjc50 6y ago
Took me a little scrolling to find her retweeting: https://twitter.com/Matthew_4_Trump/status/1342320019473129473 https://twitter.com/Matthew_4_Trump/status/13423200194731294... "The Founding Fathers would have started shooting 8 months ago. We have been incredibly patient." RT https://twitter.com/richardgibb8/status/1346170478776479744 https://twitter.com/richardgibb8/status/1346170478776479744 "!The President reinstates Death by Firing Squad , Guess What the US penalty for Treason Is ? DEATH BY FIRING SQUAD !" (unclear as to who the intended victim is, but we can guess) RT https://twitter.com/NicoleArbour/status/1341251645972361216 https://twitter.com/NicoleArbour/status/1341251645972361216 "If everyone bought $600 worth of ammo, and went to speak to their representatives... I’m sure we’d have a new bill real quick" Her twitter feed has plenty of calls for gun violence. Guess she never expected to be on the receiving end, just the dishing out side.
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saberdancer 6y ago

As far as I can tell, there were police officers on the other side of the door (where Babbitt was). Police officer shouldn't have shot her. His life was not in danger. I'm against the storming of Capitol, but this type of shooting should not be allowed.

chefkoch 6y ago
I think in this case it's not only about your life beeing in danger, try this at any milittary base and the chances of getting shot are also quite high i guess.
- saberdancer 6y ago
  Yes, but the difference is here that the police obviously let the protestors inside the building. Once that happened, the police and protestors were mixed and there was no real power struggle. Police looks like they were keeping an eye, but no one was fighting. This guy who shot turned a situation that could have been handled with a baton into a deadly situation. He could have created a worse situation, imagine if a protestor had a gun behind this woman and a gunfight erupted. Completely unnecessary.
  - chefkoch 6y ago
    While i completely agree that this was all unnecessary and a complete fuckup (Trump not calling the national guard, police clearly had a shitty tactic) But i don't think you can hold this "let them in" up high. They didn't invite them in, they let them in because of fear of beeing overrun/escalation. If a mob is in front of your house and threatens to burn it down if you won't let them in, there is no claim you invited them in If you do out of fear. They should have blasted them of the stairs with watercannons, but idk what the plan was.
    - saberdancer 6y ago
      I mostly agree with you. Police should have blasted them off the stairs and/or held the cordon at the top of the steps. It would be easier to do and should be easily planned for. If someone died there while trying to break through it would be much more understandable than this.
guns_on_the_run 6y ago
Agreed, police officers should rarely be shooting anyone. And certainly not those who are merely trespassing. There are plenty of options for stopping a person going into a place, that don't involve executing or seriously wounding them. It should be a grave concern for every citizen that the police generally have so few qualms about firing their guns at people. The police should have attempted to deescalate this situation with a minimum of violence - not the maximum.
- bigbluedots 6y ago
  I guess you think the police should just let those 'mere trespassers' get close enough to the representatives to pose for a photo? Maybe hold the camera?
- Thlom 6y ago
  For some reason I have seen a vide of the shooting and it looks like the person shooting is in a suite? Is it normal that police officers wear a suite?
  - saberdancer 6y ago
    They reported that it was a plain clothes police officer. My guess is that some of the Capitol police wear plain clothes. They are usually not in public.

chefkoch 6y ago

Getting shot by security a while trying to climb through a smashed window can hardly be called a execution. These are the guys who called the killings of Rittenhouse self defense.

guns_on_the_run 6y ago
Shooting an unarmed protestor who is merely trespassing is absolutely an execution. Just as Rittenhouse's shootings were.
- zaroth 6y ago
  Whether I agree or disagree is secondary, I am just so glad to see some logically consistent thought! There have been a lot of violent protests in the last 12 months, this being just the latest example. It’s nothing if not a great litmus test for anyone speaking or writing about protestors or policing protests.
- chefkoch 6y ago
  What is your definition of trespassing? As a non american i would think that trepassing is beeing on someone elses property without permission, not beeing with a violent mob storming a gouvernemnt building with the (at minimum) intent to destroy stuff and breaking the democratic process. And Rittenhouse was clearly looking for trouble, i don't think a black perosn could Go fully armed to a KKK rally and claim self defense if started shooting people after beeing harassed there.
marcusverus 6y ago
Rittenhouse was in the open, chased and later surrounded by hostile protesters who variously threw things at him, hit him, and attempted to take his rifle. The NYT reported that there had been gunfire as Rittenhouse retreated, and he may have thought it was aimed at him. The Policeman was with a number of other cops. They had ample room and time to retreat. There was a closed and barricaded door between him and the woman he shot. He fired the first shot. They both have a case for self-defense, but the Cop's case is going to be a harder sell.

pjc50 6y ago

Took me a little scrolling to find her retweeting: https://twitter.com/Matthew_4_Trump/status/1342320019473129473 https://twitter.com/Matthew_4_Trump/status/13423200194731294... "The Founding Fathers would have started shooting 8 months ago. We have been incredibly patient." RT https://twitter.com/richardgibb8/status/1346170478776479744 https://twitter.com/richardgibb8/status/1346170478776479744 "!The President reinstates Death by Firing Squad , Guess What the US penalty for Treason Is ? DEATH BY FIRING SQUAD !" (unclear as to who the intended victim is, but we can guess) RT https://twitter.com/NicoleArbour/status/1341251645972361216 https://twitter.com/NicoleArbour/status/1341251645972361216 "If everyone bought $600 worth of ammo, and went to speak to their representatives... I’m sure we’d have a new bill real quick" Her twitter feed has plenty of calls for gun violence. Guess she never expected to be on the receiving end, just the dishing out side.

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