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In case you have forgotten, last year saw literal insurrectionist leftist communes that took over parts of cities, and were left unsuppressed for weeks. This is

In case you have forgotten, last year saw literal insurrectionist leftist communes that took over parts of cities, and were left unsuppressed for weeks. This is definitely quite an escalation, but to me, a European looking from the outside in, it looks anything but unilateral.

nerdponx 6y ago
The fact remains that BLM related protests in 2020 were handled much more harshly than this. If this were a BLM protest, not only would the protestors have been all arrested and/or killed, but the media would be treating it like a national emergency. And it's not just the fact that the police allowed it to happen or that the military was not asked to intervene until way too late. It's also the alarmingly not-alarmed media response. What happened to "thugs" or "rioters" or "enemy combatants"?
- monoideism 6y ago
  Are we watching the same news channels? They were called "terrorists" on several cable news channels, and (fairly) "insurrectionists" on just about every news channel. I also heard "thugs" more than once. I heard the event as a whole called a "sacrilege".
  - nerdponx 6y ago
    In that case... good. I don't have a TV so I am only seeing the headlines and articles on the Web.
tsimionescu 6y ago
How are protesters against police brutality 'insurrectionists'? Were they trying to stop an election from being certified? Were they trying to even overthrow elected officials? Not to mention, the largest difference is that during the BLM protests you saw daily police brutality against the protesters from day one, with tear gas, rubber bullets, etc. You did NOT see police taking selfies on the steps of the buildings they were supposed to keep the protesters out of.
- mechEpleb 6y ago
  They literally declared an autonomous zone. If that is not an insurrection I don't know what is. Words don't mean anything I guess.
  - tsimionescu 6y ago
    Are you referring to the Red House? You believe that a fenced in house that was sometimes called an 'autonomous zone' (as far as I can tell, most often by people outside - the mayor of Portland for example apologized for calling it such) was closer to an insurrection than people seeking to overturn the legal results of the election entering the Capitol building while congress was in session? Even if the people defending the Red House did call it an autonomous zone, their only real demands were to protect the livelihood of one family. They did not seek to expand, they did not try to gain political power from it,they did nothing that I would actually view as a significant attempt to challenge the authority of the state beyond a very specific case.
    - 1000units 6y ago
      He's obviously talking about CHAZ. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_Hill_Autonomous_Zone https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_Hill_Autonomous_Zone
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      - tsimionescu 6y ago
        Even there, I understand the name "Autonomous Zone" was only used by the people occupying the area between June 8 and June 13 - afterwards they decided to call it an "Organized Protest" instead. They also never challenged the authority of the state itself (except for police), and all of their demands were social, not political. They eventually peacefully dismantled most/all of the area anyway. I fail to see how this can be presented as comparable in gravity with people attacking the Capitol building with the intent of overturning the result of the federal election.

nerdponx 6y ago

The fact remains that BLM related protests in 2020 were handled much more harshly than this. If this were a BLM protest, not only would the protestors have been all arrested and/or killed, but the media would be treating it like a national emergency. And it's not just the fact that the police allowed it to happen or that the military was not asked to intervene until way too late. It's also the alarmingly not-alarmed media response. What happened to "thugs" or "rioters" or "enemy combatants"?

monoideism 6y ago
Are we watching the same news channels? They were called "terrorists" on several cable news channels, and (fairly) "insurrectionists" on just about every news channel. I also heard "thugs" more than once. I heard the event as a whole called a "sacrilege".
- nerdponx 6y ago
  In that case... good. I don't have a TV so I am only seeing the headlines and articles on the Web.

tsimionescu 6y ago

How are protesters against police brutality 'insurrectionists'? Were they trying to stop an election from being certified? Were they trying to even overthrow elected officials? Not to mention, the largest difference is that during the BLM protests you saw daily police brutality against the protesters from day one, with tear gas, rubber bullets, etc. You did NOT see police taking selfies on the steps of the buildings they were supposed to keep the protesters out of.

mechEpleb 6y ago
They literally declared an autonomous zone. If that is not an insurrection I don't know what is. Words don't mean anything I guess.
- tsimionescu 6y ago
  Are you referring to the Red House? You believe that a fenced in house that was sometimes called an 'autonomous zone' (as far as I can tell, most often by people outside - the mayor of Portland for example apologized for calling it such) was closer to an insurrection than people seeking to overturn the legal results of the election entering the Capitol building while congress was in session? Even if the people defending the Red House did call it an autonomous zone, their only real demands were to protect the livelihood of one family. They did not seek to expand, they did not try to gain political power from it,they did nothing that I would actually view as a significant attempt to challenge the authority of the state beyond a very specific case.
  - 1000units 6y ago
    He's obviously talking about CHAZ. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_Hill_Autonomous_Zone https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_Hill_Autonomous_Zone
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    - tsimionescu 6y ago
      Even there, I understand the name "Autonomous Zone" was only used by the people occupying the area between June 8 and June 13 - afterwards they decided to call it an "Organized Protest" instead. They also never challenged the authority of the state itself (except for police), and all of their demands were social, not political. They eventually peacefully dismantled most/all of the area anyway. I fail to see how this can be presented as comparable in gravity with people attacking the Capitol building with the intent of overturning the result of the federal election.