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Are we talking about this one : https://www.apple.com/no/shop/buy-mac/pro-display-xdr https://www.apple.com/no/shop/buy-mac/pro-display-xdr ? You can buy 20 fu

Are we talking about this one : https://www.apple.com/no/shop/buy-mac/pro-display-xdr https://www.apple.com/no/shop/buy-mac/pro-display-xdr ? You can buy 20 full-hd gaming screens for the same amont of money. Or 12 4K screens. And while they may not look as nice, they have a much better frequency. 60Hz feels laggy.

mhh__ 6y ago
One thing that's really surprised me is that I bolted my old 60Hz monitor to my current 144Hz and the difference is so bad my eyes almost hurt to look at it. My eyes actually physically struggle with the 60Hz now if I have both in my FoV
- Tepix 6y ago
  There are flicker free 60Hz monitors.
  - caymanjim 6y ago
    That doesn't even make sense. You may be less-susceptible to the refresh rate--many people are--but for someone who notices it, the only solution is faster refresh.
    - mkl 6y ago
      It makes sense. The rate is the rate at which new imagery can appear on the screen. It says nothing about how much of that 1/60 seconds it's visible, and it could be all of it. By comparison, on a CRT not even all the pixels are lit up at once, so 60Hz on a CRT is unbearable to me (I could bear 75Hz, but 85 was nicer), while on an LCD I'm okay with 60Hz.
    - Unklejoe 6y ago
      LCD's don't refresh like CRTs do. The frame is basically persistent until the next frame comes. What _does_ "refresh" is the backlight in the sense that the brightness is controlled by PWM. However, there are many monitors that use PWM frequencies in the several hundred Hz range, or don't use PWM at all.
montebicyclelo 6y ago
For 1/30th of the cost you can get a 1440p monitor (based on UK prices). I do agree that a single monitor is more comfortable.
- madeofpalk 6y ago
  1440p?? Someone who is buying a 6k monitor is not going to be comfortable with a monitor of such a small resolution. 1440p monitor has like a fifth of the pixels a 6k monitor has.
  - montebicyclelo 6y ago
    - The parent comment brought up full-hd monitors (1080p), which have 2/3 the pixels of 1440p. - The parent-parent comment suggests that a single high resolution monitor is a good solution for people in general. I am suggesting that a 1440p monitor at 27-inch is a better choice than a 6k monitor, for people in general, taking cost into account. - You could get five 1440p monitors for 1/6 the price of this 6k. - As resolution increases you get diminishing returns. - 1440p, 27-inch is a sweet spot, imo.
brailsafe 6y ago
gaming screens typically have terrible viewing angles and poor picture quality, optimizing for low input latency and high refresh rate. While I probably wouldn't buy a very expensive monitor at this point that didn't have a high refresh rate, I'd certainly pay for picture quality, viewing angles, resolution, and maybe just appearance before refresh rate. As an external display, you'd need gpu power to drive the display anyway, and I'd take my 30" Dell 2560x1600 IPS over some PoS 1080p 120hz TN panel.
- XelNika 6y ago
  Modern high refresh rate displays (100/120/144 Hz) come in VA and IPS flavors and good ones are factory calibrated to UltraSharp levels as well. 2560x1440 monitors are the sweet spot in terms of price to performance. Your information is 2-3 years out of date.
  - vijucat 6y ago
    Can you please recommend a VA panel that is good for text sharpness, too? My eyes don't react well to IPS, for some reason: I used to have a BenQ GW2760HS (1080p, VA panel) and then upgraded to a Dell UP3017 (2K, IPS) and find it harsher on my eyes, even if I enjoy the text sharpness!
    - XelNika 6y ago
      > My eyes don't react well to IPS, for some reason In what way? If it's just discomfort using it for long periods of time, there's a 95% chance, you need to turn on the lights in your room or turn down your monitor brightness. > Can you please recommend a VA panel that is good for text sharpness, too? Some subpixel arrangements might require you to change the font smoothing (Windows ClearType), but any monitor with high pixel density will do, really. I'm not an expert on specific models so I won't recommend one.
      - vijucat 6y ago
        > In what way? I do not face the same eye fatigue after hours of sitting in front of a VA panel compared to sitting in front of an IPS one.
spiderfarmer 6y ago
If there were other 6k monitors I'd consider them.

mhh__ 6y ago

One thing that's really surprised me is that I bolted my old 60Hz monitor to my current 144Hz and the difference is so bad my eyes almost hurt to look at it. My eyes actually physically struggle with the 60Hz now if I have both in my FoV

Tepix 6y ago
There are flicker free 60Hz monitors.
- caymanjim 6y ago
  That doesn't even make sense. You may be less-susceptible to the refresh rate--many people are--but for someone who notices it, the only solution is faster refresh.
  - mkl 6y ago
    It makes sense. The rate is the rate at which new imagery can appear on the screen. It says nothing about how much of that 1/60 seconds it's visible, and it could be all of it. By comparison, on a CRT not even all the pixels are lit up at once, so 60Hz on a CRT is unbearable to me (I could bear 75Hz, but 85 was nicer), while on an LCD I'm okay with 60Hz.
  - Unklejoe 6y ago
    LCD's don't refresh like CRTs do. The frame is basically persistent until the next frame comes. What _does_ "refresh" is the backlight in the sense that the brightness is controlled by PWM. However, there are many monitors that use PWM frequencies in the several hundred Hz range, or don't use PWM at all.

montebicyclelo 6y ago

For 1/30th of the cost you can get a 1440p monitor (based on UK prices). I do agree that a single monitor is more comfortable.

madeofpalk 6y ago
1440p?? Someone who is buying a 6k monitor is not going to be comfortable with a monitor of such a small resolution. 1440p monitor has like a fifth of the pixels a 6k monitor has.
- montebicyclelo 6y ago
  - The parent comment brought up full-hd monitors (1080p), which have 2/3 the pixels of 1440p. - The parent-parent comment suggests that a single high resolution monitor is a good solution for people in general. I am suggesting that a 1440p monitor at 27-inch is a better choice than a 6k monitor, for people in general, taking cost into account. - You could get five 1440p monitors for 1/6 the price of this 6k. - As resolution increases you get diminishing returns. - 1440p, 27-inch is a sweet spot, imo.

brailsafe 6y ago

gaming screens typically have terrible viewing angles and poor picture quality, optimizing for low input latency and high refresh rate. While I probably wouldn't buy a very expensive monitor at this point that didn't have a high refresh rate, I'd certainly pay for picture quality, viewing angles, resolution, and maybe just appearance before refresh rate. As an external display, you'd need gpu power to drive the display anyway, and I'd take my 30" Dell 2560x1600 IPS over some PoS 1080p 120hz TN panel.

XelNika 6y ago
Modern high refresh rate displays (100/120/144 Hz) come in VA and IPS flavors and good ones are factory calibrated to UltraSharp levels as well. 2560x1440 monitors are the sweet spot in terms of price to performance. Your information is 2-3 years out of date.
- vijucat 6y ago
  Can you please recommend a VA panel that is good for text sharpness, too? My eyes don't react well to IPS, for some reason: I used to have a BenQ GW2760HS (1080p, VA panel) and then upgraded to a Dell UP3017 (2K, IPS) and find it harsher on my eyes, even if I enjoy the text sharpness!
  - XelNika 6y ago
    > My eyes don't react well to IPS, for some reason In what way? If it's just discomfort using it for long periods of time, there's a 95% chance, you need to turn on the lights in your room or turn down your monitor brightness. > Can you please recommend a VA panel that is good for text sharpness, too? Some subpixel arrangements might require you to change the font smoothing (Windows ClearType), but any monitor with high pixel density will do, really. I'm not an expert on specific models so I won't recommend one.
    - vijucat 6y ago
      > In what way? I do not face the same eye fatigue after hours of sitting in front of a VA panel compared to sitting in front of an IPS one.

spiderfarmer 6y ago

If there were other 6k monitors I'd consider them.