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plutonorm 6y ago
I'm not a trump supporter, but I sure as hell don't trust main stream media. They lost the ability to supply me with objective fact long, long ago
- Alkhwarizmi 6y ago
  Then go dig yourself a big hole and bury yourself deep within it. Congrats on being a bafoon. NOT all media is bad, and If you equate the kinds supported by Murdoch’s and Mercers and CNN or the like, then you are hypocritical at best.
- halter73 6y ago
  Who do you trust to supply you with "objective facts" about politics? Why not at least take a look at the New York Times article? Are you afraid you'll forget you don't trust them and take everything at face value? Even if you don't trust the journalists and editors at the NYT, the article links to primary sources from the US Supreme Court, Wisconsin Supreme Court, Pennsylvania Department of State and more so you can do your own research. As a non-Trump-supporter who doesn't trust the mainstream media, where do you get your objective facts about politics? Do you just watch CSPAN or something? It seems like you'd miss out on a lot of important news that way.
  - plutonorm 6y ago
    There are powerful reality filters embedded in the culture of organisations, of classes of people, and with political groups. It is extremely difficult to tease things apart and find the truth in this environment. By exposing yourself to a source you are opening yourself to be being unduly swayed by that source. Unless I am prepared to sit down and investigate the story, the sources found in the story and follow up with my own research, then I will not expose myself to it. I have not investigated this story thoroughly, but I have tried to get to the bottom of many other stories. Usually at the bottom I find uncertainty. I find lack of evidence. Confusion, bending, warping of reality to fit an agenda. There so much noise it's almost deafening. "Believe none of what you hear and half of what you see". We are like children in the school playground spinning tales for each other. Imprinting our own thoughts and values and goals into the stories we tell. Barely aware of our own motives.
    - wtfiswiththis 6y ago
      Trump lost the election fair and square. This is something you'll have to deal with regardless of your intent to read information on the subject or not. But if you are going to be like this, please don't peddle doubt and disinformation to others.

plutonorm 6y ago

I'm not a trump supporter, but I sure as hell don't trust main stream media. They lost the ability to supply me with objective fact long, long ago

Alkhwarizmi 6y ago
Then go dig yourself a big hole and bury yourself deep within it. Congrats on being a bafoon. NOT all media is bad, and If you equate the kinds supported by Murdoch’s and Mercers and CNN or the like, then you are hypocritical at best.
halter73 6y ago
Who do you trust to supply you with "objective facts" about politics? Why not at least take a look at the New York Times article? Are you afraid you'll forget you don't trust them and take everything at face value? Even if you don't trust the journalists and editors at the NYT, the article links to primary sources from the US Supreme Court, Wisconsin Supreme Court, Pennsylvania Department of State and more so you can do your own research. As a non-Trump-supporter who doesn't trust the mainstream media, where do you get your objective facts about politics? Do you just watch CSPAN or something? It seems like you'd miss out on a lot of important news that way.
- plutonorm 6y ago
  There are powerful reality filters embedded in the culture of organisations, of classes of people, and with political groups. It is extremely difficult to tease things apart and find the truth in this environment. By exposing yourself to a source you are opening yourself to be being unduly swayed by that source. Unless I am prepared to sit down and investigate the story, the sources found in the story and follow up with my own research, then I will not expose myself to it. I have not investigated this story thoroughly, but I have tried to get to the bottom of many other stories. Usually at the bottom I find uncertainty. I find lack of evidence. Confusion, bending, warping of reality to fit an agenda. There so much noise it's almost deafening. "Believe none of what you hear and half of what you see". We are like children in the school playground spinning tales for each other. Imprinting our own thoughts and values and goals into the stories we tell. Barely aware of our own motives.
  - wtfiswiththis 6y ago
    Trump lost the election fair and square. This is something you'll have to deal with regardless of your intent to read information on the subject or not. But if you are going to be like this, please don't peddle doubt and disinformation to others.