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Yeah, I mostly agree. I'm not sure if the deplatforming push is good or not but I see moves like this only accelerating it, which is going to lead to a deepenin

Yeah, I mostly agree. I'm not sure if the deplatforming push is good or not but I see moves like this only accelerating it, which is going to lead to a deepening "red internet / blue internet" schism that's probably not good for either side. It's obvious that the left feels that they can keep shutting down right-wing media by various sorts of economic pressure and legislation, but I think we're seeing this strategy start to hit sharply diminishing returns but at this point the echo chambers have been so strongly reinforced that it's hard to imagine any other strategy getting support.

intended 6y ago
Its not like there was enlightened discourse going on in the first place. When The_donald was busy tea bagging the front page to get the submissions titles just right and spelling out something like "own the libs", no great bi-partisan agreement was being reached. I think it just became clear to the democrat and "left" that the right had stopped caring for years. This idea that there was a conversation is simply revisionist, and blaming the left is to blame the laggard for imitating the front runner.
- yanderekko 6y ago
  >no great bi-partisan agreement was being reached. No, but it's not like things couldn't be worse, and I don't think that the sort of eliminationist tactics that are being embraced are going to make things better. The left will manage to deplatform the right off of a bunch of major sites but they'll just reconvene elsewhere, out of reach. Will this be good or bad for discourse?
  - intended 6y ago
    If this is the part of the journey that you are waking up during, then unfortunately there’s only bad news. What you see coming up was already baked in. I dare say, so are the natural counter reactions to it. If it’s unclear, remember the quaint days of the Fox News effect. America was pulling away for a long time, and the right was the first one to realize the political advantage of it. Frankly I doubt America, especially the American right, can currently sit down and figure out how it got here. This isn’t an unfair criticism mind you, you can simply see how the right has gone from the river boat (?) days to the tea party to the Trump days of today, to track how hyper partisan it’s become internally. The media structures at play, such as Fox News, are determined to sell a partisan story. The Republican Party is so unable to work with the dems that they even rejected “Obama care” - which was built around a Republican program -Romneycare. This is simply one example, to highlight that what you are seeing is momentum at play. The machines that spin it up - namely the political:media structures, are fully active. Plus it’s been frightfully effective for the right. When Obama came to power, the right had suffered a massive demoralizing loss. They had nothing and were demoralized. Instead they got together and found strength in sheer force of will and used the term “one term president” to invigorate themselves and fight Obama at every turn. This dogged will to fight at all costs is impressive, and it resulted in styling Obama, and even gave them Trump. The Trump years have been amazing for the Republicans and so many core Republican goals have been fulfilled, especially the Supreme Court judges. The republicans approach simply works. Why wouldn’t the left pick up that lesson? You’ll even see that the rise of the left in the democrats is a mirror of the same process on the right. TLDR: sorry man, bipartisanship is long dead in your country. What should worry you even more - these processes aren’t unique to America. Fully expect to see this same break down around the world.
- BitwiseFool 6y ago
  How do you feel about subreddits like r/MurderedByAOC, r/AOC, r/LeopardsAteMyFace, r/ToiletPaperUSA, and others doing the exact same thing to the front page?
  - intended 6y ago
    Well since the algo changed, and they can't do it I don't feel anything. Also, they don't do crap like this : https://imgur.com/gallery/YM5HM https://imgur.com/gallery/YM5HM And this is mild versions of their brigading and tea bagging. What, you think this is ok?
    - BitwiseFool 6y ago
      Honestly, I don't see the difference. If you're talking about general low quality posts, look no further than r/PoliticalHumor. And, even though the algorithm has changed, The Donald was ONE pro-trump subreddit and they got banned. They are gone now, mission accomplished. Now you have about a dozen progressive subreddits hitting the front page on a daily basis with nothing more than screenshots of tweets. How is that any better?

intended 6y ago

Its not like there was enlightened discourse going on in the first place. When The_donald was busy tea bagging the front page to get the submissions titles just right and spelling out something like "own the libs", no great bi-partisan agreement was being reached. I think it just became clear to the democrat and "left" that the right had stopped caring for years. This idea that there was a conversation is simply revisionist, and blaming the left is to blame the laggard for imitating the front runner.

yanderekko 6y ago
>no great bi-partisan agreement was being reached. No, but it's not like things couldn't be worse, and I don't think that the sort of eliminationist tactics that are being embraced are going to make things better. The left will manage to deplatform the right off of a bunch of major sites but they'll just reconvene elsewhere, out of reach. Will this be good or bad for discourse?
- intended 6y ago
  If this is the part of the journey that you are waking up during, then unfortunately there’s only bad news. What you see coming up was already baked in. I dare say, so are the natural counter reactions to it. If it’s unclear, remember the quaint days of the Fox News effect. America was pulling away for a long time, and the right was the first one to realize the political advantage of it. Frankly I doubt America, especially the American right, can currently sit down and figure out how it got here. This isn’t an unfair criticism mind you, you can simply see how the right has gone from the river boat (?) days to the tea party to the Trump days of today, to track how hyper partisan it’s become internally. The media structures at play, such as Fox News, are determined to sell a partisan story. The Republican Party is so unable to work with the dems that they even rejected “Obama care” - which was built around a Republican program -Romneycare. This is simply one example, to highlight that what you are seeing is momentum at play. The machines that spin it up - namely the political:media structures, are fully active. Plus it’s been frightfully effective for the right. When Obama came to power, the right had suffered a massive demoralizing loss. They had nothing and were demoralized. Instead they got together and found strength in sheer force of will and used the term “one term president” to invigorate themselves and fight Obama at every turn. This dogged will to fight at all costs is impressive, and it resulted in styling Obama, and even gave them Trump. The Trump years have been amazing for the Republicans and so many core Republican goals have been fulfilled, especially the Supreme Court judges. The republicans approach simply works. Why wouldn’t the left pick up that lesson? You’ll even see that the rise of the left in the democrats is a mirror of the same process on the right. TLDR: sorry man, bipartisanship is long dead in your country. What should worry you even more - these processes aren’t unique to America. Fully expect to see this same break down around the world.
BitwiseFool 6y ago
How do you feel about subreddits like r/MurderedByAOC, r/AOC, r/LeopardsAteMyFace, r/ToiletPaperUSA, and others doing the exact same thing to the front page?
- intended 6y ago
  Well since the algo changed, and they can't do it I don't feel anything. Also, they don't do crap like this : https://imgur.com/gallery/YM5HM https://imgur.com/gallery/YM5HM And this is mild versions of their brigading and tea bagging. What, you think this is ok?
  - BitwiseFool 6y ago
    Honestly, I don't see the difference. If you're talking about general low quality posts, look no further than r/PoliticalHumor. And, even though the algorithm has changed, The Donald was ONE pro-trump subreddit and they got banned. They are gone now, mission accomplished. Now you have about a dozen progressive subreddits hitting the front page on a daily basis with nothing more than screenshots of tweets. How is that any better?