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> I suggest something that lets you use any client/platform you want I lost about half of my contacts when migrating to Signal, do you really think I can make

> I suggest something that lets you use any client/platform you want I lost about half of my contacts when migrating to Signal, do you really think I can make them install some random app that may or may not work? They already complain that Signal isn't as polished as Whatsapp.

lrvick 6y ago
Those that won't respect your ethics are not your friends. I lost many of my contacts moving to Matrix but earned a lot of new high value ones that share my worldview to continue building a decentralized censorship resistant internet.
- lrvick 6y ago
  I would also add that Matrix, unlike any of the other networks discussed, offers the ability to bridge to all other networks being discussed so if you so desire you can have your open network cake and communicate with people on walled garden networks too. Not worth the trouble for me and I don't even want to have accounts in these platforms or let them collect my conversations, but the path at least exists.
- jmnicolas 6y ago
  > Those that won't respect your ethics are not your friends. Yeah right. I am not RMS, with lock-downs, curfews, social distancing etc I'm already isolated enough so I'm not losing my remaining contacts for some moral high-ground.
- 542354234235 6y ago
  > Those that won't respect your ethics are not your friends. This is kind of an unreasonable, one sided, stance. You exact everyone to simply follow you and your preferences with no regard for their preferences. Maybe you not respecting them and their worldview makes you the bad friend, not the other way around. > I lost many of my contacts moving to Matrix but earned a lot of new high value ones that share my worldview I don’t know if isolating yourself from anyone that doesn’t’ think and act the exact same way is a good thing.
  - lrvick 6y ago
    If someone believe something is legitimately toxic to themselves or society, like being around smoke, consuming certain substances, eating meat, using walled garden internet services etc... They should not be peer pressured into giving up those views. I for one avoid Google products for personal communications. A lot of long term friends decided they only want to socialize online with Google products fully knowing it excludes me, in spite of easily accessible alternatives like Matrix and Jitsi. They are not using Google products because it makes the world better, they are using it because they don't like change, and changing to maintain a friendship with me was not worth trying to use less privacy hostile communication mediums. Fair enough. I for one would not exclusively socialize at a Brazilian steakhouse if I had a vegan friend in a given social circle. I will go to great lengths to accommodate people that are acting on authentic ethical convictions but if someone is only doing something that conflicts with my ethical convictions because they can't be bothered to try something new, then they obviously don't value me, and I'll invest more time with people who do. You should live your convictions and find people that either share them, or at least respect you enough to accommodate them. I don't expect others to think or act like me, but I would expect that my legitimate desire to maintain privacy in personal communication to be respected by anyone worth my time. Plenty of friends that don't share my views put up with using some open tools to keep in touch with me. I likewise accommodate some of their preferences that don't make any sense to me. Everyone has a mix of deal breakers and things they can be flexible on in any type of human relationship.

lrvick 6y ago

Those that won't respect your ethics are not your friends. I lost many of my contacts moving to Matrix but earned a lot of new high value ones that share my worldview to continue building a decentralized censorship resistant internet.

lrvick 6y ago
I would also add that Matrix, unlike any of the other networks discussed, offers the ability to bridge to all other networks being discussed so if you so desire you can have your open network cake and communicate with people on walled garden networks too. Not worth the trouble for me and I don't even want to have accounts in these platforms or let them collect my conversations, but the path at least exists.
jmnicolas 6y ago
> Those that won't respect your ethics are not your friends. Yeah right. I am not RMS, with lock-downs, curfews, social distancing etc I'm already isolated enough so I'm not losing my remaining contacts for some moral high-ground.
542354234235 6y ago
> Those that won't respect your ethics are not your friends. This is kind of an unreasonable, one sided, stance. You exact everyone to simply follow you and your preferences with no regard for their preferences. Maybe you not respecting them and their worldview makes you the bad friend, not the other way around. > I lost many of my contacts moving to Matrix but earned a lot of new high value ones that share my worldview I don’t know if isolating yourself from anyone that doesn’t’ think and act the exact same way is a good thing.
- lrvick 6y ago
  If someone believe something is legitimately toxic to themselves or society, like being around smoke, consuming certain substances, eating meat, using walled garden internet services etc... They should not be peer pressured into giving up those views. I for one avoid Google products for personal communications. A lot of long term friends decided they only want to socialize online with Google products fully knowing it excludes me, in spite of easily accessible alternatives like Matrix and Jitsi. They are not using Google products because it makes the world better, they are using it because they don't like change, and changing to maintain a friendship with me was not worth trying to use less privacy hostile communication mediums. Fair enough. I for one would not exclusively socialize at a Brazilian steakhouse if I had a vegan friend in a given social circle. I will go to great lengths to accommodate people that are acting on authentic ethical convictions but if someone is only doing something that conflicts with my ethical convictions because they can't be bothered to try something new, then they obviously don't value me, and I'll invest more time with people who do. You should live your convictions and find people that either share them, or at least respect you enough to accommodate them. I don't expect others to think or act like me, but I would expect that my legitimate desire to maintain privacy in personal communication to be respected by anyone worth my time. Plenty of friends that don't share my views put up with using some open tools to keep in touch with me. I likewise accommodate some of their preferences that don't make any sense to me. Everyone has a mix of deal breakers and things they can be flexible on in any type of human relationship.