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But why can't they exist on the same domain as you? Reddit is federated by design, it should be equally open to right-leaning and left-leaning subs.

by ng12 6y ago

newguy1234 6y ago
Because left-wing activists run reddit and they enjoy censoring the right-wing. So most get fed up and go to the alt right websites instead. Guess what they do there? "Hey have you heard about white genocide??" etc. There are even people that specifically go to reddit to encourage people to leave and go to the alt right website. It is a form of recruiting for the cause so to speak.
maest 6y ago
There are both right and left leaning subs on reddit and it works ok. Reddit occasionally bans subreddits for various reasons (see r/fatpeplehate and the predecessor to r/hydrohomies). True, r/thedonald was banned, but not because of political leaning (r/conservative is running just fine), but because of how it was spreading misinformation and calling for violence.
- ng12 6y ago
  > but because of how it was spreading misinformation and calling for violence That's the rhetoric Reddit used but I was completely unconvinced. They spent the better part of a year looking for a reason to ban /r/td, going as far as to invent "quarantining" as a soft-ban, and when they finally did so the cited evidence was extremely unconvincing.
- yanderekko 6y ago
  >There are both right and left leaning subs on reddit and it works ok. But for any given sub that isn't political, there probably are not right and left-leaning subs. And given that viewpoint-based moderation is overwhelmingly-common on Reddit, this means that on non-politics based subreddits then engaging on any political issue as a right-leaning individual carries a decent risk of getting some sort of wrongthink ban. It's extremely common, sadly, and even though one can avoid politics entirely it's hard to just watch people circlejerk and mock people who hold your views when these issues do arise.
  - wesleywt 6y ago
    I think you are confusing right learning opinions with outright racism, anti-Semitism and calling for violence against various minority groups.
    - yanderekko 6y ago
      >I think you are confusing right learning opinions with outright racism, anti-Semitism and calling for violence against various minority groups. I'm not. For example, I was banned like a week ago from a sub for arguing that it's not obviously selfish/evil for someone to travel during COVID if one is allowed to do so. It was on a travel-related subreddit where there were no rules to this effect, but a mod felt that this sort of attitude was tantamount to advocating manslaughter. Most subs will not have "no conservatives allowed" rules but the enforcement patterns often will not follow the rules.
  - KozmoNau7 6y ago
    Being told that you are unwanted in a community and shown the door is not censorship. It is simply a matter of that community signaling that you are not welcome and telling you to leave. Any community is free to set its own rules for who they consider welcome and you are more than able to join or create an alternative community where you feel more welcome. That said, claiming that only right-leaning folks are being mocked or told to leave communities is highly disingenuous. Think about being a liberal/left-leaning gun owner and trying to participate in the vast majority of gun forums online. Or hunting forums. Or a lot of survivalist/bushcraft forums. Or militaria forums. Or car forums.
    - yanderekko 6y ago
      >Being told that you are unwanted in a community and shown the door is not censorship. Didn't claim it was. >That said, claiming that only right-leaning folks are being mocked or told to leave communities is highly disingenuous. Think about being a liberal/left-leaning gun owner and trying to participate in the vast majority of gun forums online. I didn't claim this either, and quite frankly your eagerness to put words in my mouth is telling. In any case I'd be surprised if most gun forums that aren't on Reddit will just straight-up ban you for being liberal. But Reddit's viewpoint-based moderation goes much deeper than in subreddits that have ancillary ties to politics; for example it's very common for regional-based subreddits to have viewpoint-based discrimination that excises conservatives. If this is egregious enough it can cause schisms where you get left-wing/right-wing versions of the same sub, but usually that doesn't happen.
sneak 6y ago
Reddit is absolutely not federated. It's a single centralized site run by a single centralized entity that has the right to censor anything or everything on it at will.
intended 6y ago
Because they used that as a way to harass everyone around the world by manipulating the front page? They would brigade and attack other forums? They were a collection site for bad actors and even more dangerous content to the point that a large site like Reddit could get shut down. There is some wishful thinking going on that all speech is equal, and that such speech was being conducted here.
- ng12 6y ago
  As a very occasional reader of /r/td I saw a lot more accusations of this type of behavior than actual instances of it. Certainly no more so than other extreme subreddits like /r/latestagecapitalism or even /r/politics. I think those types of subs are/were annoying and filter most of them from my homepage. That said I never found /r/td to be anywhere near egregious as is said here, even the justification for the final banning was incredibly watery.
  - intended 6y ago
    I was a non reader of T_d, but their front page manipulation was on everyone, you needed no subscription to their sub to be afflicted by their shenanigans. I mean Reddit changed their algorithms to ensure this never happened again. T_D was 4chan tier stuff built around “owning the libs” and rubbing it in everyone’s face. The grace of a boozed uncle who wants to dance on your grave. The other fun part is how long T_D was allowed to run Amok. Special gloves to avoid looking bad, something that’s also forgotten. If you want to know how bad it is, simply see what their voat/ parler versions look like. And I’m also not the kind of person who actually did the history digging and detective work on user accounts. This is all passive observation of internet drama. The T_d crowd was happy with dog whistles and coded racism. For them to find r/politics or any other sub offensive is but natural.
SirHound 6y ago
There's right-leaning and then there's racism. Additionally, Reddit has the right to block whatever it wants from its platform, just as the mods here can delete posts etc. Freedom of speech isn't the right to speak wherever you like. I don't have to let you speak on my lawn, on my stage. You just shouldn't disappear for disagreeing with the government.
- ng12 6y ago
  To me there's an obvious double standard here: there's a tacit acceptance that social media has the power to actively sway elections (e.g. FB in 2016). How could it be that banning certain political groups from these platforms is not a form of censorship? To refit your analogy: what if your stage is the only stage there is?
sagichmal 6y ago
White ethno-nationalists are not "right leaning".

But why can't they exist on the same domain as you? Reddit is federated by design, it should be equally open to right-leaning and left-leaning subs.

by ng12 6y ago

But why can't they exist on the same domain as you? Reddit is federated by design, it should be equally open to right-leaning and left-leaning subs.

newguy1234 6y ago

Because left-wing activists run reddit and they enjoy censoring the right-wing. So most get fed up and go to the alt right websites instead. Guess what they do there? "Hey have you heard about white genocide??" etc. There are even people that specifically go to reddit to encourage people to leave and go to the alt right website. It is a form of recruiting for the cause so to speak.

maest 6y ago

There are both right and left leaning subs on reddit and it works ok. Reddit occasionally bans subreddits for various reasons (see r/fatpeplehate and the predecessor to r/hydrohomies). True, r/thedonald was banned, but not because of political leaning (r/conservative is running just fine), but because of how it was spreading misinformation and calling for violence.

ng12 6y ago
> but because of how it was spreading misinformation and calling for violence That's the rhetoric Reddit used but I was completely unconvinced. They spent the better part of a year looking for a reason to ban /r/td, going as far as to invent "quarantining" as a soft-ban, and when they finally did so the cited evidence was extremely unconvincing.
yanderekko 6y ago
>There are both right and left leaning subs on reddit and it works ok. But for any given sub that isn't political, there probably are not right and left-leaning subs. And given that viewpoint-based moderation is overwhelmingly-common on Reddit, this means that on non-politics based subreddits then engaging on any political issue as a right-leaning individual carries a decent risk of getting some sort of wrongthink ban. It's extremely common, sadly, and even though one can avoid politics entirely it's hard to just watch people circlejerk and mock people who hold your views when these issues do arise.
- wesleywt 6y ago
  I think you are confusing right learning opinions with outright racism, anti-Semitism and calling for violence against various minority groups.
  - yanderekko 6y ago
    >I think you are confusing right learning opinions with outright racism, anti-Semitism and calling for violence against various minority groups. I'm not. For example, I was banned like a week ago from a sub for arguing that it's not obviously selfish/evil for someone to travel during COVID if one is allowed to do so. It was on a travel-related subreddit where there were no rules to this effect, but a mod felt that this sort of attitude was tantamount to advocating manslaughter. Most subs will not have "no conservatives allowed" rules but the enforcement patterns often will not follow the rules.
- KozmoNau7 6y ago
  Being told that you are unwanted in a community and shown the door is not censorship. It is simply a matter of that community signaling that you are not welcome and telling you to leave. Any community is free to set its own rules for who they consider welcome and you are more than able to join or create an alternative community where you feel more welcome. That said, claiming that only right-leaning folks are being mocked or told to leave communities is highly disingenuous. Think about being a liberal/left-leaning gun owner and trying to participate in the vast majority of gun forums online. Or hunting forums. Or a lot of survivalist/bushcraft forums. Or militaria forums. Or car forums.
  - yanderekko 6y ago
    >Being told that you are unwanted in a community and shown the door is not censorship. Didn't claim it was. >That said, claiming that only right-leaning folks are being mocked or told to leave communities is highly disingenuous. Think about being a liberal/left-leaning gun owner and trying to participate in the vast majority of gun forums online. I didn't claim this either, and quite frankly your eagerness to put words in my mouth is telling. In any case I'd be surprised if most gun forums that aren't on Reddit will just straight-up ban you for being liberal. But Reddit's viewpoint-based moderation goes much deeper than in subreddits that have ancillary ties to politics; for example it's very common for regional-based subreddits to have viewpoint-based discrimination that excises conservatives. If this is egregious enough it can cause schisms where you get left-wing/right-wing versions of the same sub, but usually that doesn't happen.

sneak 6y ago

Reddit is absolutely not federated. It's a single centralized site run by a single centralized entity that has the right to censor anything or everything on it at will.

intended 6y ago

Because they used that as a way to harass everyone around the world by manipulating the front page? They would brigade and attack other forums? They were a collection site for bad actors and even more dangerous content to the point that a large site like Reddit could get shut down. There is some wishful thinking going on that all speech is equal, and that such speech was being conducted here.

ng12 6y ago
As a very occasional reader of /r/td I saw a lot more accusations of this type of behavior than actual instances of it. Certainly no more so than other extreme subreddits like /r/latestagecapitalism or even /r/politics. I think those types of subs are/were annoying and filter most of them from my homepage. That said I never found /r/td to be anywhere near egregious as is said here, even the justification for the final banning was incredibly watery.
- intended 6y ago
  I was a non reader of T_d, but their front page manipulation was on everyone, you needed no subscription to their sub to be afflicted by their shenanigans. I mean Reddit changed their algorithms to ensure this never happened again. T_D was 4chan tier stuff built around “owning the libs” and rubbing it in everyone’s face. The grace of a boozed uncle who wants to dance on your grave. The other fun part is how long T_D was allowed to run Amok. Special gloves to avoid looking bad, something that’s also forgotten. If you want to know how bad it is, simply see what their voat/ parler versions look like. And I’m also not the kind of person who actually did the history digging and detective work on user accounts. This is all passive observation of internet drama. The T_d crowd was happy with dog whistles and coded racism. For them to find r/politics or any other sub offensive is but natural.

SirHound 6y ago

There's right-leaning and then there's racism. Additionally, Reddit has the right to block whatever it wants from its platform, just as the mods here can delete posts etc. Freedom of speech isn't the right to speak wherever you like. I don't have to let you speak on my lawn, on my stage. You just shouldn't disappear for disagreeing with the government.

ng12 6y ago
To me there's an obvious double standard here: there's a tacit acceptance that social media has the power to actively sway elections (e.g. FB in 2016). How could it be that banning certain political groups from these platforms is not a form of censorship? To refit your analogy: what if your stage is the only stage there is?

sagichmal 6y ago

White ethno-nationalists are not "right leaning".