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In Europe the WhatsApp alternatives are generally framed as tools for pedophiles and organized crime. Even installing them on your phone may alert LEO that you'

In Europe the WhatsApp alternatives are generally framed as tools for pedophiles and organized crime. Even installing them on your phone may alert LEO that you're suspect. This move by Facebook is highly troubling. edit: mass downvote! here are the links. this link talks specifically about signal protocol being used by organized crime https://www.volkskrant.nl/nieuws-achtergrond/waarom-criminelen-geen-whatsapp-gebruiken-en-meer-over-hoe-de-politie-kon-meelezen~b4c7afd5/ https://www.volkskrant.nl/nieuws-achtergrond/waarom-criminel... https://www.securityweek.com/telegram-rivaling-tor-home-criminal-forums https://www.securityweek.com/telegram-rivaling-tor-home-crim... https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2019/05/03/criminals-are-hiding-in-telegram-but-backdoors-are-not-the-answer/ https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2019/05/03/criminals-are-hi... https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/telegram-app-drugs-sell-channels-bots-crime-graffiti-dropgangs-dark-web-a8814671.html https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/ne...

patall 6y ago
Do you have an source for that claim. I am in Europe and have never heard that. The closest I know of is right wing groups using Telegramm for their Anti-Covid agitation.
- lodovic 6y ago
  updated GP
  - patall 6y ago
    Sorry, I have now spent almost an hour reading 7 articles of yours and, from my point of view, none supports your claim. Framing implys for me that some other person publicly claims something although that is not really the case (i.e Telegramm is not popular with criminals), else, it is just reporting. Neither could I find anything matching your second point that installing any of these messengers might make law enforcement suspect you to be a criminal.
rcMgD2BwE72F 6y ago
Source? My friends and family have mostly been using Signal for over a year and we never had such worry. I also know laywers, lawmakers, doctors and CEOs who are also using Signal for important communications.
- lodovic 6y ago
  some links in dutch: https://opgelicht.avrotros.nl/uitzending/gemist/item/berichtendienst-telegram-blijkt-luilekkerland-voor-criminelen/ https://opgelicht.avrotros.nl/uitzending/gemist/item/bericht... https://www.ad.nl/binnenland/criminelen-handelen-op-berichtenapp-heb-je-geld-ik-heb-een-pistool-voor-3k~ab66bdd0/ https://www.ad.nl/binnenland/criminelen-handelen-op-berichte... https://www.security.nl/posting/586026/Politie+kraakt+versleutelde+chatberichten+van+criminelen https://www.security.nl/posting/586026/Politie+kraakt+versle...
midasz 6y ago
That's absolute nonsense
Tomte 6y ago
Nonsense. Here are links that show that WhatsApp is painted as a tool for pedophiles: * https://www.indiatoday.in/technology/news/story/whatsapp-has-blocked-1-30-000-accounts-in-10-days-to-fight-child-pornography-1427114-2019-01-09 https://www.indiatoday.in/technology/news/story/whatsapp-has... * https://www.businessinsider.com/whatsapp-has-a-child-porn-problem-report-2018-12?r=DE&IR=T https://www.businessinsider.com/whatsapp-has-a-child-porn-pr... * https://techcrunch.com/2018/12/20/whatsapp-pornography/ https://techcrunch.com/2018/12/20/whatsapp-pornography/ * https://endsexualexploitation.org/articles/whatsapp-has-a-child-pornography-problem/ https://endsexualexploitation.org/articles/whatsapp-has-a-ch...

patall 6y ago

Do you have an source for that claim. I am in Europe and have never heard that. The closest I know of is right wing groups using Telegramm for their Anti-Covid agitation.

lodovic 6y ago
updated GP
- patall 6y ago
  Sorry, I have now spent almost an hour reading 7 articles of yours and, from my point of view, none supports your claim. Framing implys for me that some other person publicly claims something although that is not really the case (i.e Telegramm is not popular with criminals), else, it is just reporting. Neither could I find anything matching your second point that installing any of these messengers might make law enforcement suspect you to be a criminal.

rcMgD2BwE72F 6y ago

Source? My friends and family have mostly been using Signal for over a year and we never had such worry. I also know laywers, lawmakers, doctors and CEOs who are also using Signal for important communications.

lodovic 6y ago
some links in dutch: https://opgelicht.avrotros.nl/uitzending/gemist/item/berichtendienst-telegram-blijkt-luilekkerland-voor-criminelen/ https://opgelicht.avrotros.nl/uitzending/gemist/item/bericht... https://www.ad.nl/binnenland/criminelen-handelen-op-berichtenapp-heb-je-geld-ik-heb-een-pistool-voor-3k~ab66bdd0/ https://www.ad.nl/binnenland/criminelen-handelen-op-berichte... https://www.security.nl/posting/586026/Politie+kraakt+versleutelde+chatberichten+van+criminelen https://www.security.nl/posting/586026/Politie+kraakt+versle...

midasz 6y ago

That's absolute nonsense

Tomte 6y ago

Nonsense. Here are links that show that WhatsApp is painted as a tool for pedophiles: * https://www.indiatoday.in/technology/news/story/whatsapp-has-blocked-1-30-000-accounts-in-10-days-to-fight-child-pornography-1427114-2019-01-09 https://www.indiatoday.in/technology/news/story/whatsapp-has... * https://www.businessinsider.com/whatsapp-has-a-child-porn-problem-report-2018-12?r=DE&IR=T https://www.businessinsider.com/whatsapp-has-a-child-porn-pr... * https://techcrunch.com/2018/12/20/whatsapp-pornography/ https://techcrunch.com/2018/12/20/whatsapp-pornography/ * https://endsexualexploitation.org/articles/whatsapp-has-a-child-pornography-problem/ https://endsexualexploitation.org/articles/whatsapp-has-a-ch...