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I fail to see how, they fought valiantly to defend congress while heavily outnumbered by an angry armed mob. The real question here is: where was the national

I fail to see how, they fought valiantly to defend congress while heavily outnumbered by an angry armed mob. The real question here is: where was the national guard or the various other law enforcement and military personnel that seemed so available during other disturbances? This act of insurrection was well telegraphed, a casual look at a site like thedonald.win would have revealed the plans for the rally and the intent of its attendees. There hundreds (and many more upvoting) of people concurrently promoted the event and outwardly said that the states, congress, and courts failed them, so they were going to pick up arms and forcefully take power. Surely, the federal government with its vast resources should have had a guy checking such a prominent website, right? I'm sure there were have darker parts of the 'Trump media'-verse with even more explicit calls to arms, if such a thing were possible.

bobjordan 6y ago
Well for one, they murdered an unarmed woman today. We've heard all year from the Democrats and the mainstream media how property destruction and trespassing isn't worthy of a death sentence. So there's that.
- scoopertrooper 6y ago
  A) It may not have been the Capitol Police, there is some speculation that it may have actually been the Secret Service > A witness described the shooting incident to WUSA-9, saying: “We had stormed into the chambers inside. And there was a young lady who rushed through the windows. A number of police and Secret Service were saying get back, get down, get out of the way. She didn’t heed the call and as we kind of raced up to grab people and pull them back, they shot her in the neck.” https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/interactive/2021/video-timeline-capitol-breach/?itid=hp-top-table-main-0106 https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/interactive/2021/vid... B) While she may have been unarmed, the people that shot her could not be certain of that. Multiple firearms (including concealed ones) were confiscated from the intruders. C) She wasn't standing there passively, she was trying to jump through a door as the vanguard for the mob. https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/ks12mn/another_viewpoint_of_the_woman_who_was_shot/ https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/ks12mn/anot... D) Time will tell whether or not the shooting was justified, but it obviously wasn't a matter of protecting property. They were trying to protect the members of Congress, staffers, media, Vice President, and other people in their care from a violent mob. Edit: added source to support possible Secret Service involvement
  - bobjordan 6y ago
    E) She didn't have the right skin color for it to be an outrage.
- ashtonkem 6y ago
  That was a justified shooting. With an armed and shouting crowd right there at the chambers, the consequences of rushing over the final barricade towards the men with guns were pretty predictable. I’m surprised they only shot once. In such a tense situation, I don’t believe I personally would have such restraint.
hellcow 6y ago
There are videos of Capitol police opening barricades to let the mob in and taking selfies with the insurrectionists inside the Capitol. Hardly what I would call "fighting valiantly to defend congress." That should upset every American.
- scoopertrooper 6y ago
  The protesters overran the main barricades, so the Capitol Police retreated to more defensible positions. https://twitter.com/elijahschaffer/status/1346966514990149639?s=21 https://twitter.com/elijahschaffer/status/134696651499014963... https://v.redd.it/v38q6eo0pr961 https://v.redd.it/v38q6eo0pr961 https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/krvboi/clashes_inside_the_us_capitol/ https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/krvboi/clas...
kenjackson 6y ago
“ The real question here is: where was the national guard or the various other law enforcement and military personnel that seemed so available during other disturbances?” Trump didn’t want them there. Apparently it was Pence who pushed to have them go there.
- scoopertrooper 6y ago
  Exactly, Trump and his sycophants invited this mob to the Capitol, riled them up, filled them venomous lies about the election and their institutions, and deprived Congress of an appropriate level of protection. Yet, people are trying to cast aspersions of the poor Capitol Police?
dragonwriter 6y ago
> The real question here is: where was the national guard Despite being requested by the D.C. Mayor on Tuesday, not approved by the federal executive until after the insurrectionists had occupied the Capitol (which, considering that the insurrection was on behalf of incited by the President, is not so surprising.) And apparently when finally approved, it was by the acting Defense Secretary in consultation with the Vice President. > or the various other law enforcement Again, federal executive responsibility (mutual aid from other jurisdictions is routine once an incident is under way, and was provided, but advance deployments of additional LE to federal facilities in the national capital would be federal.)
- scoopertrooper 6y ago
  Pence, for all his faults, will be remembered as a patriot for his actions on 6 January.
  - ashtonkem 6y ago
    No, he will not. Doing the literal minimum does not make you a patriot, and history will be lukewarm to him at best. “He didn’t follow through with the coup” is the best he can hope for.
    - Brian_K_White 6y ago
      He will be remembered as a patriot by the same 50% of everyone who voted MAGA, twice. I don't know about history books. Probably if a given book or article even records more than his name and the R, this act could easily be one of the only explicit facts mentioned. All the years of messier boring day to day policies won't be mentioned, just the summary single word conservative, "advocated conservative policies" etc. It doesn't have the same effect. So you end up with a little blurb that says his name and the list of offices he held and that he was famous for declining to participate in a coup attempt. I think I could see it actually that he will be remembered as a patriot.
      - 6y ago

bobjordan 6y ago

Well for one, they murdered an unarmed woman today. We've heard all year from the Democrats and the mainstream media how property destruction and trespassing isn't worthy of a death sentence. So there's that.

scoopertrooper 6y ago
A) It may not have been the Capitol Police, there is some speculation that it may have actually been the Secret Service > A witness described the shooting incident to WUSA-9, saying: “We had stormed into the chambers inside. And there was a young lady who rushed through the windows. A number of police and Secret Service were saying get back, get down, get out of the way. She didn’t heed the call and as we kind of raced up to grab people and pull them back, they shot her in the neck.” https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/interactive/2021/video-timeline-capitol-breach/?itid=hp-top-table-main-0106 https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/interactive/2021/vid... B) While she may have been unarmed, the people that shot her could not be certain of that. Multiple firearms (including concealed ones) were confiscated from the intruders. C) She wasn't standing there passively, she was trying to jump through a door as the vanguard for the mob. https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/ks12mn/another_viewpoint_of_the_woman_who_was_shot/ https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/ks12mn/anot... D) Time will tell whether or not the shooting was justified, but it obviously wasn't a matter of protecting property. They were trying to protect the members of Congress, staffers, media, Vice President, and other people in their care from a violent mob. Edit: added source to support possible Secret Service involvement
- bobjordan 6y ago
  E) She didn't have the right skin color for it to be an outrage.
ashtonkem 6y ago
That was a justified shooting. With an armed and shouting crowd right there at the chambers, the consequences of rushing over the final barricade towards the men with guns were pretty predictable. I’m surprised they only shot once. In such a tense situation, I don’t believe I personally would have such restraint.

hellcow 6y ago

There are videos of Capitol police opening barricades to let the mob in and taking selfies with the insurrectionists inside the Capitol. Hardly what I would call "fighting valiantly to defend congress." That should upset every American.

scoopertrooper 6y ago
The protesters overran the main barricades, so the Capitol Police retreated to more defensible positions. https://twitter.com/elijahschaffer/status/1346966514990149639?s=21 https://twitter.com/elijahschaffer/status/134696651499014963... https://v.redd.it/v38q6eo0pr961 https://v.redd.it/v38q6eo0pr961 https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/krvboi/clashes_inside_the_us_capitol/ https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/krvboi/clas...

kenjackson 6y ago

“ The real question here is: where was the national guard or the various other law enforcement and military personnel that seemed so available during other disturbances?” Trump didn’t want them there. Apparently it was Pence who pushed to have them go there.

scoopertrooper 6y ago
Exactly, Trump and his sycophants invited this mob to the Capitol, riled them up, filled them venomous lies about the election and their institutions, and deprived Congress of an appropriate level of protection. Yet, people are trying to cast aspersions of the poor Capitol Police?

dragonwriter 6y ago

> The real question here is: where was the national guard Despite being requested by the D.C. Mayor on Tuesday, not approved by the federal executive until after the insurrectionists had occupied the Capitol (which, considering that the insurrection was on behalf of incited by the President, is not so surprising.) And apparently when finally approved, it was by the acting Defense Secretary in consultation with the Vice President. > or the various other law enforcement Again, federal executive responsibility (mutual aid from other jurisdictions is routine once an incident is under way, and was provided, but advance deployments of additional LE to federal facilities in the national capital would be federal.)

scoopertrooper 6y ago
Pence, for all his faults, will be remembered as a patriot for his actions on 6 January.
- ashtonkem 6y ago
  No, he will not. Doing the literal minimum does not make you a patriot, and history will be lukewarm to him at best. “He didn’t follow through with the coup” is the best he can hope for.
  - Brian_K_White 6y ago
    He will be remembered as a patriot by the same 50% of everyone who voted MAGA, twice. I don't know about history books. Probably if a given book or article even records more than his name and the R, this act could easily be one of the only explicit facts mentioned. All the years of messier boring day to day policies won't be mentioned, just the summary single word conservative, "advocated conservative policies" etc. It doesn't have the same effect. So you end up with a little blurb that says his name and the list of offices he held and that he was famous for declining to participate in a coup attempt. I think I could see it actually that he will be remembered as a patriot.
    - 6y ago