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Police take orders from above. Clearly the order of the day was to have minimal presence and avoid conflict with the protesters.

by dzdt 6y ago

SheinhardtWigCo 6y ago
What makes it clear to you that this was an order and not the result of incompetence?
- runarberg 6y ago
  e.g. comparison to similarly sized BLM protests
  - curryst 6y ago
    Part of me wonders if this was malicious compliance with the demands to downsize police. "You want less police? See what happens?" That doesn't seem beyond belief.
    - runarberg 6y ago
      Don’t attribute ignorance which can be safely explained by malice I think it is much more likely that this downsizing had everything to do with who the protestors were—i.e. their political views and skin color—in each case.
- colordrops 6y ago
  The police are overwhelmingly Trump supporters, and the comparison to the response to BLM protests is stark: https://twitter.com/Tender_oni/status/1346916038269689862?s=19 https://twitter.com/Tender_oni/status/1346916038269689862?s=... https://twitter.com/theangiestanton/status/1346956067301941249?s=19 https://twitter.com/theangiestanton/status/13469560673019412... Edit: anyone want to respond about what's wrong with my comment rather than arbitrarily down voting?
  - simonswords82 6y ago
    Don't take down votes personally I find that for a short time after most of my recent comments on HN I get (automated?) downvotes which are then wiped out a few hours/days later.
  - m0llusk 6y ago
    Your point about the difference in police responses seems valid. There was advance warning of potential conflict. However, your statement that the police are overwhelmingly Trump supporters seems weak and inflammatory and is what I suspect drove downvoting. There are several examples of individual police taking stands against the crowd. Directly linking police performance today to politics is also questionable. When dealing with rowdy crowds it may be best to take things easy and act to calm tensions. A large number of cops ended up behind the crowd surge where the best course of action becomes ambiguous.
  - splintercell 6y ago
    I didn't downvote you but you did not provide any proof that police is a) overwhelmingly Trump supporters and b) would shirk their responsibility because of that. And you posted irrelevant links as if they somehow support your argument.
    - standardUser 6y ago
      The FOP endorsed Trump twice and a 2016 Police Magazine poll showed that 84% of officers intended to vote for Trump. There have also been a handful of news stories about current and former police officers getting in trouble for supporting Trump/opposing Democrats in illegal ways... "Alabama Police Captain Resigns After Saying Biden Voters Deserve a ‘Bullet in Their Skull’" "Arkansas police chief resigns after threatening to abuse Democrats" "Ex-Houston Police Officer Charged In Attack Over Bogus Election Fraud Plot" "Officer suspended for blaring 'Trump 2020' from NYPD vehicle"

Police take orders from above. Clearly the order of the day was to have minimal presence and avoid conflict with the protesters.

by dzdt 6y ago

Police take orders from above. Clearly the order of the day was to have minimal presence and avoid conflict with the protesters.

SheinhardtWigCo 6y ago

What makes it clear to you that this was an order and not the result of incompetence?

runarberg 6y ago
e.g. comparison to similarly sized BLM protests
- curryst 6y ago
  Part of me wonders if this was malicious compliance with the demands to downsize police. "You want less police? See what happens?" That doesn't seem beyond belief.
  - runarberg 6y ago
    Don’t attribute ignorance which can be safely explained by malice I think it is much more likely that this downsizing had everything to do with who the protestors were—i.e. their political views and skin color—in each case.
colordrops 6y ago
The police are overwhelmingly Trump supporters, and the comparison to the response to BLM protests is stark: https://twitter.com/Tender_oni/status/1346916038269689862?s=19 https://twitter.com/Tender_oni/status/1346916038269689862?s=... https://twitter.com/theangiestanton/status/1346956067301941249?s=19 https://twitter.com/theangiestanton/status/13469560673019412... Edit: anyone want to respond about what's wrong with my comment rather than arbitrarily down voting?
- simonswords82 6y ago
  Don't take down votes personally I find that for a short time after most of my recent comments on HN I get (automated?) downvotes which are then wiped out a few hours/days later.
- m0llusk 6y ago
  Your point about the difference in police responses seems valid. There was advance warning of potential conflict. However, your statement that the police are overwhelmingly Trump supporters seems weak and inflammatory and is what I suspect drove downvoting. There are several examples of individual police taking stands against the crowd. Directly linking police performance today to politics is also questionable. When dealing with rowdy crowds it may be best to take things easy and act to calm tensions. A large number of cops ended up behind the crowd surge where the best course of action becomes ambiguous.
- splintercell 6y ago
  I didn't downvote you but you did not provide any proof that police is a) overwhelmingly Trump supporters and b) would shirk their responsibility because of that. And you posted irrelevant links as if they somehow support your argument.
  - standardUser 6y ago
    The FOP endorsed Trump twice and a 2016 Police Magazine poll showed that 84% of officers intended to vote for Trump. There have also been a handful of news stories about current and former police officers getting in trouble for supporting Trump/opposing Democrats in illegal ways... "Alabama Police Captain Resigns After Saying Biden Voters Deserve a ‘Bullet in Their Skull’" "Arkansas police chief resigns after threatening to abuse Democrats" "Ex-Houston Police Officer Charged In Attack Over Bogus Election Fraud Plot" "Officer suspended for blaring 'Trump 2020' from NYPD vehicle"