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>outmatched I wouldn't say that's even a fair characterization. Per the capitol police website they have 2,600 officers and a budget of $460 million. It honest

by quasse 6y ago

>outmatched I wouldn't say that's even a fair characterization. Per the capitol police website they have 2,600 officers and a budget of $460 million. It honestly just ... didn't look like they were trying very hard. They managed to arrest what, 14 people? Compare that to the BLM protests on the west coast where unmarked vans of feds were literally rolling up and black bagging people off the street. USCP is charged with protecting Congress, and I think members of congress should be thinking hard about whether the police were complicit in what happened today. [1] https://www.uscp.gov/media-center/uscp-fast-facts https://www.uscp.gov/media-center/uscp-fast-facts

zionic 6y ago
Your media consumption bias is showing. It took months of weekly action for a few feds to show up last summer
- wtallis 6y ago
  The standards for response time ought to be rather higher for a large police force that exists primarily to protect a single building complex. And then there's the fact that the Capitol is obviously a much higher-profile target than a random federal courthouse.
xienze 6y ago
> Compare that to the BLM protests on the west coast where unmarked vans of feds were literally rolling up and black bagging people off the street. Boy, I wonder if the fact that these guys basically just goofed around and took pictures instead of burning down the capitol (like what happened in the Portland courthouse) had any bearing on that.
- Shared404 6y ago
  That appears to be related to competency, not intentions. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/06/us/politics/pipe-bomb-rnc.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/06/us/politics/pipe-bomb-rnc...
- ryguytilidie 6y ago
  Genuine question: Are you aware that you're a sad disingenuous husk of a man or is this just your natural state and you know nothing else?
  - Shared404 6y ago
    There are all sorts of negative emotions it's reasonable to feel right now. That being said, we can do better than personal attacks.
    - xienze 6y ago
      Yes, like people going through all my older posts and downvoting them.
      - Shared404 6y ago
        I don't know whether or not anyone is going back and downvoting all your older posts. However, having looked at your last several, I am not shocked that they are negative.
        xienze 6y ago
        They have, for the record. I.e., posts from the morning that were effectively were dead got additional downvotes rapidly after posts in this thread. And I got plenty of HN’s passive aggressive “you’re posting too fast” messages. Are you a mod? For example, look at this comment[0], which stood at 1 all day long, which is now -3 after last night. 0: https://news.ycombinator.com/reply?id=25658587&goto=threads%3Fnext%3D25658587%26id%3Dxienze%2325658587 https://news.ycombinator.com/reply?id=25658587&goto=threads%...
        Shared404 6y ago
        > Are you a mod? Nope. Not even close. You should be able to get the modmail from the guidelines or FAQ or someplace.
      - 6y ago
- maybe_ 6y ago
  Four people died today, I'm not sure if I would classify that as "goofing around".
  - neartheplain 6y ago
    One was an unarmed woman shot by law enforcement, as police have confirmed [0]. The other 3 died near the riot due to separate medical emergencies [1]. [0] https://www.fox5dc.com/news/woman-shot-killed-after-pro-trump-protesters-charged-us-capitol-identified https://www.fox5dc.com/news/woman-shot-killed-after-pro-trum... [1] https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/live-blog/electoral-college-certification-updates-n1252864/ncrd1253209 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/live-blog/electora...
- deleted 6y ago
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- altdatathrow 6y ago
  Please stop defending an attempt to overthrow a lawful election as goofing around.
- dang 6y ago
  Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar. We're trying to avoid the hell we're all sinking into. Comments like this are a sharp push hellward, so please don't. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
neartheplain 6y ago
>Compare that to the BLM protests on the west coast where unmarked vans of feds were literally rolling up and black bagging people off the street. Let's not lose perspective. In the protests outside the Portland federal courthouse building, police held out for weeks while insurrectionists threw bombs [0] and incendiary devices [1], attacked officers with hammers [2] and blinding lasers [3], and tried to breach the courthouse with crowbars and power saws [4]. Nightly arson attempts set fires at, around, and inside the courthouse [5]. The protestors' goal- as stated in their extensive graffiti [6]- was to attack police, breach the courthouse and destroy public property, much as they had done in earlier riots [7]. One stabbed a black conservative journalist in the stomach [8]. Many were arrested carrying illegal guns and ammunition [9]. In response, and after local law enforcement abandoned the courthouse by order of Portland's Mayor Wheeler, federal agents arrested suspects in accordance with the law. They read suspects their rights, treated them fairly, and in most cases- thanks to an extremely permissive District Attorney [10]- released them within 48 hours of arrest. What happened in Portland (and Seattle, Minneapolis, Chicago, and other American cities) this summer was also undeniably insurrection, and undeniably much more violent. Despite this, police in Portland never shot anyone in the back, much less fatally. Call today's insurrection what it is, but be consistent. [0] https://twitter.com/thetypeofguy69/status/1293088972885962753 https://twitter.com/thetypeofguy69/status/129308897288596275... [1] https://katu.com/news/local/molotov-cocktail-rattles-portland-courthouse-during-protest-police-say https://katu.com/news/local/molotov-cocktail-rattles-portlan... [2] https://www.justice.gov/usao-or/pr/portland-man-charged-assaulting-deputy-us-marshal-explosive-device-during-courthouse https://www.justice.gov/usao-or/pr/portland-man-charged-assa... [3] https://www.king5.com/article/news/politics/federal-officers-sustained-277-injuries-while-in-portland-including-temporary-blindness/283-c98ae76e-652c-4664-9693-68101ec8acf9 https://www.king5.com/article/news/politics/federal-officers... [4] https://twitter.com/Clypian/status/1286906816018841600 https://twitter.com/Clypian/status/1286906816018841600 [5] https://www.opb.org/news/article/portland-police-less-lethal-munitions-protest-courthouse/ https://www.opb.org/news/article/portland-police-less-lethal... [6] https://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/protests/protesters-hit-portland-city-hall-with-graffiti/283-3c8daa0e-25c2-42dd-83d1-02d4babd39e8 https://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/protests/protesters-h... [7] https://www.justice.gov/usao-or/pr/portland-man-charged-may-29-2020-arson-justice-center https://www.justice.gov/usao-or/pr/portland-man-charged-may-... [8] https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2020/07/man-knifed-in-back-at-portland-protest-i-was-stabbed-for-being-a-conservative-journalist.html https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2020/07/man-knifed-in-back-... [9] https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/07/26/portland-protests-police-detain-2-suspects-after-shooting/5516075002/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/07/26/portla... [10] https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/no-charges-for-many-arrested-at-ongoing-portland-protests/2020/08/12/e3a3923c-dc59-11ea-b4f1-25b762cdbbf4_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/no-charges-for-many-ar...
ReaganFJones 6y ago
A follow up article from the Washington Post: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/trump-protests-washington-guard-military/2021/01/07/c5299b56-510e-11eb-b2e8-3339e73d9da2_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/trump-prote... It appears the DC leadership and the Pentagon wanted to avoid a show of force that mimicked what happened during the summer, trying to learn from their mistakes during the protests triggered by Floyd’s death.

by quasse 6y ago

zionic 6y ago

Your media consumption bias is showing. It took months of weekly action for a few feds to show up last summer

wtallis 6y ago
The standards for response time ought to be rather higher for a large police force that exists primarily to protect a single building complex. And then there's the fact that the Capitol is obviously a much higher-profile target than a random federal courthouse.

xienze 6y ago

> Compare that to the BLM protests on the west coast where unmarked vans of feds were literally rolling up and black bagging people off the street. Boy, I wonder if the fact that these guys basically just goofed around and took pictures instead of burning down the capitol (like what happened in the Portland courthouse) had any bearing on that.

Shared404 6y ago
That appears to be related to competency, not intentions. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/06/us/politics/pipe-bomb-rnc.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/06/us/politics/pipe-bomb-rnc...
ryguytilidie 6y ago
Genuine question: Are you aware that you're a sad disingenuous husk of a man or is this just your natural state and you know nothing else?
- Shared404 6y ago
  There are all sorts of negative emotions it's reasonable to feel right now. That being said, we can do better than personal attacks.
  - xienze 6y ago
    Yes, like people going through all my older posts and downvoting them.
    - Shared404 6y ago
      I don't know whether or not anyone is going back and downvoting all your older posts. However, having looked at your last several, I am not shocked that they are negative.
      - xienze 6y ago
        They have, for the record. I.e., posts from the morning that were effectively were dead got additional downvotes rapidly after posts in this thread. And I got plenty of HN’s passive aggressive “you’re posting too fast” messages. Are you a mod? For example, look at this comment[0], which stood at 1 all day long, which is now -3 after last night. 0: https://news.ycombinator.com/reply?id=25658587&goto=threads%3Fnext%3D25658587%26id%3Dxienze%2325658587 https://news.ycombinator.com/reply?id=25658587&goto=threads%...
        Shared404 6y ago
        > Are you a mod? Nope. Not even close. You should be able to get the modmail from the guidelines or FAQ or someplace.
    - 6y ago
maybe_ 6y ago
Four people died today, I'm not sure if I would classify that as "goofing around".
- neartheplain 6y ago
  One was an unarmed woman shot by law enforcement, as police have confirmed [0]. The other 3 died near the riot due to separate medical emergencies [1]. [0] https://www.fox5dc.com/news/woman-shot-killed-after-pro-trump-protesters-charged-us-capitol-identified https://www.fox5dc.com/news/woman-shot-killed-after-pro-trum... [1] https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/live-blog/electoral-college-certification-updates-n1252864/ncrd1253209 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/live-blog/electora...
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altdatathrow 6y ago
Please stop defending an attempt to overthrow a lawful election as goofing around.
dang 6y ago
Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar. We're trying to avoid the hell we're all sinking into. Comments like this are a sharp push hellward, so please don't. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

neartheplain 6y ago

>Compare that to the BLM protests on the west coast where unmarked vans of feds were literally rolling up and black bagging people off the street. Let's not lose perspective. In the protests outside the Portland federal courthouse building, police held out for weeks while insurrectionists threw bombs [0] and incendiary devices [1], attacked officers with hammers [2] and blinding lasers [3], and tried to breach the courthouse with crowbars and power saws [4]. Nightly arson attempts set fires at, around, and inside the courthouse [5]. The protestors' goal- as stated in their extensive graffiti [6]- was to attack police, breach the courthouse and destroy public property, much as they had done in earlier riots [7]. One stabbed a black conservative journalist in the stomach [8]. Many were arrested carrying illegal guns and ammunition [9]. In response, and after local law enforcement abandoned the courthouse by order of Portland's Mayor Wheeler, federal agents arrested suspects in accordance with the law. They read suspects their rights, treated them fairly, and in most cases- thanks to an extremely permissive District Attorney [10]- released them within 48 hours of arrest. What happened in Portland (and Seattle, Minneapolis, Chicago, and other American cities) this summer was also undeniably insurrection, and undeniably much more violent. Despite this, police in Portland never shot anyone in the back, much less fatally. Call today's insurrection what it is, but be consistent. [0] https://twitter.com/thetypeofguy69/status/1293088972885962753 https://twitter.com/thetypeofguy69/status/129308897288596275... [1] https://katu.com/news/local/molotov-cocktail-rattles-portland-courthouse-during-protest-police-say https://katu.com/news/local/molotov-cocktail-rattles-portlan... [2] https://www.justice.gov/usao-or/pr/portland-man-charged-assaulting-deputy-us-marshal-explosive-device-during-courthouse https://www.justice.gov/usao-or/pr/portland-man-charged-assa... [3] https://www.king5.com/article/news/politics/federal-officers-sustained-277-injuries-while-in-portland-including-temporary-blindness/283-c98ae76e-652c-4664-9693-68101ec8acf9 https://www.king5.com/article/news/politics/federal-officers... [4] https://twitter.com/Clypian/status/1286906816018841600 https://twitter.com/Clypian/status/1286906816018841600 [5] https://www.opb.org/news/article/portland-police-less-lethal-munitions-protest-courthouse/ https://www.opb.org/news/article/portland-police-less-lethal... [6] https://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/protests/protesters-hit-portland-city-hall-with-graffiti/283-3c8daa0e-25c2-42dd-83d1-02d4babd39e8 https://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/protests/protesters-h... [7] https://www.justice.gov/usao-or/pr/portland-man-charged-may-29-2020-arson-justice-center https://www.justice.gov/usao-or/pr/portland-man-charged-may-... [8] https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2020/07/man-knifed-in-back-at-portland-protest-i-was-stabbed-for-being-a-conservative-journalist.html https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2020/07/man-knifed-in-back-... [9] https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/07/26/portland-protests-police-detain-2-suspects-after-shooting/5516075002/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/07/26/portla... [10] https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/no-charges-for-many-arrested-at-ongoing-portland-protests/2020/08/12/e3a3923c-dc59-11ea-b4f1-25b762cdbbf4_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/no-charges-for-many-ar...

ReaganFJones 6y ago

A follow up article from the Washington Post: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/trump-protests-washington-guard-military/2021/01/07/c5299b56-510e-11eb-b2e8-3339e73d9da2_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/trump-prote... It appears the DC leadership and the Pentagon wanted to avoid a show of force that mimicked what happened during the summer, trying to learn from their mistakes during the protests triggered by Floyd’s death.