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Message of de-escalation? Did you watch the video? One moment he says to go home, the next he says the election was stolen in an unprecedented action against h

Message of de-escalation? Did you watch the video? One moment he says to go home, the next he says the election was stolen in an unprecedented action against him. At best it's a mixed message. If you're telling people that the election is actively being stolen, what are your expectations for their response exactly? That they say "aw shucks" and go home?

im3w1l 6y ago
I think it means "the protest was good and legitimate but it needs to end now."
- nr2x 6y ago
  And yet that’s not quite what he said, is it?
  - abootstrapper 6y ago
    That’s the absurd thing about Trump. His words are interpreted like a horoscope by his supporters. They mean whatever you need them to mean.
    - citrablue 6y ago
      It rarely seems to have the effect of promoting healthy and respectful discourse. Instead it appears to always inflame.
    - paulgb 6y ago
      I agree, and it’s not an accident, it’s about creating plausible deniability so that his base can say “he said X” when really he said Y. “Stand down and stand by” is a prime example of this.
    - ajitkrsingh123 6y ago
      ffuyjhv
    - Viliam1234 6y ago
      Luckily his opponents can easily all agree that "go home" means "don't go home".
      - nr2x 6y ago
        Given his supporters stayed hours after his statement, I'll assume they had the correct interpretation of intent.
  - jboog 6y ago
    He literally called violent insurrectionist "special" people and said he loved them!
    - im3w1l 6y ago
      Isn't that in line with the first part of what I said? He was saying what they did was good and legitimate.
abernard1 6y ago
> If you're telling people that the election is actively being stolen, what are your expectations for their response exactly? So the 4 years that Democrats said the election was stolen, and they illegally stormed the US Capitol at the Kavanaugh hearings, what should we have thought of that? Basically every organization and politician on the left was supporting that and there was no Twitter censorship.
- barbecue_sauce 6y ago
  I see you've got your talking points in order.
  - abernard1 6y ago
    Those are facts. It's totally legitimate to say "I hate Trump and want to see him go", but it's impossible to stand on principle and say "Hey, Stacy Abrams is really in the right to say that her election was fraudulent forever" but Trump can't say the same. It puts Twitter in the position of legitimizing certain claims of fraud and discounting others in national elections. That's frightening, and people supporting this should think what an alternate world would look like where billions of people were on Parler and not Twitter.
    - triceratops 6y ago
      > "Hey, Stacy Abrams is really in the right to say that her election was fraudulent forever" but Trump can't say the same. Yeah, that's kinda how truth and lies work.
- gugagore 6y ago
  > Basically every organization and politician on the left was supporting that not the left. Lots of D politicians, granted. But I can't believe you seriously think that the "the election was fraudulent theatrics" (which I'll take for granted as theatrics, though a more careful treatment is warranted) of D politicians and e.g. Rachel Maddow could ever have had the same effect as these theatrics from Trump and co, which call for armed citizens to take action.
arp242 6y ago
"Democrats want to destroy this country" "Democrats stole the election" "They are the enemy of the people" etc. etc. These are all things Trump actually says, ad verbatim, and has been repeating this for the better part of a year. If these things were true then violence would be a logical, reasonable, justified, and appropriate response to stop a hostile anti-democratic takeover of the country. Of course, nothing of Trump's claims are true. Not even remotely. Not even a tiny kernel of truth in it. But you just can't expect people who actually hold this worldview to quietly stay at home. I wouldn't, if this would actually be happening. As I've said many times before, if the current path continues it's only a matter of time before there is actual real bloodshed, and Trump and his bootlickers can't just wash their hands with "but I said I they had to remain calm!" And if you look at the cause for all of this ... it's not even a political disagreement really, it's just Trump not being mature enough to accept that a universe exists where he could lose an election. Good heavens all this ruckus for something so petty. Future historians will look back to Trump not too dissimilar to how we look back to Caligula.

im3w1l 6y ago

I think it means "the protest was good and legitimate but it needs to end now."

nr2x 6y ago
And yet that’s not quite what he said, is it?
- abootstrapper 6y ago
  That’s the absurd thing about Trump. His words are interpreted like a horoscope by his supporters. They mean whatever you need them to mean.
  - citrablue 6y ago
    It rarely seems to have the effect of promoting healthy and respectful discourse. Instead it appears to always inflame.
  - paulgb 6y ago
    I agree, and it’s not an accident, it’s about creating plausible deniability so that his base can say “he said X” when really he said Y. “Stand down and stand by” is a prime example of this.
  - ajitkrsingh123 6y ago
    ffuyjhv
  - Viliam1234 6y ago
    Luckily his opponents can easily all agree that "go home" means "don't go home".
    - nr2x 6y ago
      Given his supporters stayed hours after his statement, I'll assume they had the correct interpretation of intent.
- jboog 6y ago
  He literally called violent insurrectionist "special" people and said he loved them!
  - im3w1l 6y ago
    Isn't that in line with the first part of what I said? He was saying what they did was good and legitimate.

abernard1 6y ago

> If you're telling people that the election is actively being stolen, what are your expectations for their response exactly? So the 4 years that Democrats said the election was stolen, and they illegally stormed the US Capitol at the Kavanaugh hearings, what should we have thought of that? Basically every organization and politician on the left was supporting that and there was no Twitter censorship.

barbecue_sauce 6y ago
I see you've got your talking points in order.
- abernard1 6y ago
  Those are facts. It's totally legitimate to say "I hate Trump and want to see him go", but it's impossible to stand on principle and say "Hey, Stacy Abrams is really in the right to say that her election was fraudulent forever" but Trump can't say the same. It puts Twitter in the position of legitimizing certain claims of fraud and discounting others in national elections. That's frightening, and people supporting this should think what an alternate world would look like where billions of people were on Parler and not Twitter.
  - triceratops 6y ago
    > "Hey, Stacy Abrams is really in the right to say that her election was fraudulent forever" but Trump can't say the same. Yeah, that's kinda how truth and lies work.
gugagore 6y ago
> Basically every organization and politician on the left was supporting that not the left. Lots of D politicians, granted. But I can't believe you seriously think that the "the election was fraudulent theatrics" (which I'll take for granted as theatrics, though a more careful treatment is warranted) of D politicians and e.g. Rachel Maddow could ever have had the same effect as these theatrics from Trump and co, which call for armed citizens to take action.

arp242 6y ago

"Democrats want to destroy this country" "Democrats stole the election" "They are the enemy of the people" etc. etc. These are all things Trump actually says, ad verbatim, and has been repeating this for the better part of a year. If these things were true then violence would be a logical, reasonable, justified, and appropriate response to stop a hostile anti-democratic takeover of the country. Of course, nothing of Trump's claims are true. Not even remotely. Not even a tiny kernel of truth in it. But you just can't expect people who actually hold this worldview to quietly stay at home. I wouldn't, if this would actually be happening. As I've said many times before, if the current path continues it's only a matter of time before there is actual real bloodshed, and Trump and his bootlickers can't just wash their hands with "but I said I they had to remain calm!" And if you look at the cause for all of this ... it's not even a political disagreement really, it's just Trump not being mature enough to accept that a universe exists where he could lose an election. Good heavens all this ruckus for something so petty. Future historians will look back to Trump not too dissimilar to how we look back to Caligula.