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I'm 100% with you. I don't care for these people or their politics, but the way the media, politicians, and the public are reacting, this is going to only make

I'm 100% with you. I don't care for these people or their politics, but the way the media, politicians, and the public are reacting, this is going to only make this so much worse. They truly believe there's a deep state that rigged the election. Throwing around using the 25th Amendment, calling them all terrorists committing treason/sedition, is only going to reinforce that the deep state is not only real but using every tool they have to attack them. The constant attempts to silence them by deplatforming and a whole host of other shadowy methods is confirming that the media, big tech, higher education, is full of people that not only despise them but with they would go away forever. If we keep going down this path I guarantee violence is coming. 50 years from now we'll end up seeing the Oklahoma bombing as the opening salvo to what came next. McVeigh went full terrorist after Waco/Ruby Ridge. Don't give these people the confirmation they're looking for.

happytoexplain 6y ago
>They truly believe there's a deep state that rigged the election. This is a fallacy. People can convince themselves of pretty much anything with the help of tribalism and leaders willing to lie. That doesn't mean you should sympathize with their desire for violence.
- ed25519FUUU 6y ago
  Pre-2016 if you would have asked me "Are electronic voting systems vulnerable to hacking?" I would have said "Absolutely yes." Post 2020 if you ask me "Are electronic voting systems vulnerable to hacking" my answer is still "Absolutely yes" Weird so many people did some kind of dipsy-doo flip-aroo with elections in 2016/2020.
  - MajorBee 6y ago
    How about electronic voting systems backed by paper ballots?
    - rzz3 6y ago
      Do you remember 2000 and the Diebold controversy? We had an Diebold engineer testifying on record about the deficiencies of these systems. I know it’s been 20 years, but I do think we need to take the integrity of our elections more seriously (and I say that being VERY happy that Trump lost the election).
      - MajorBee 6y ago
        Well, I don't think anyone claims that electronic voting systems should be the source of truth for vote-count; it's mostly there for convenience and if there is any doubt at all about its integrity, the paper ballots can always (and often are) busted out to be counted by hand.
        rzz3 6y ago
        Paper ballots help, but it’s still not a properly secure system.
  - lolc 6y ago
    But the question is not whether they are vulnerable, but whether they were actually abused. Big difference. We have evidence of the former. And virtually no evidence of the latter.
    - ed25519FUUU 6y ago
      There’s almost no way you could know. Personally I don’t like our voting technology coming from Venezula but maybe that’s just me.
      - lolc 6y ago
        I don't like the machines either. But you can't go from "could have" to "did" without evidence. Luckily where I live I get to vote on paper. It prevents such debates.
- xaedes 6y ago
  I think the poster above is worried about more violence. In which way do you read that as "sympathize with their desire for violence"?
- yanderekko 6y ago
  It means that they're not guilty of sedition/treason, which is what they're being accused of by the other tribe with its own desire for violence.
klipt 6y ago
If the deep state wanted to rig the election in favor of Dems, why not give them a bunch of state governments in 2020 so they can undo the Republicans' house gerrymandering?
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kace91 6y ago
> They truly believe there's a deep state that rigged the election. Throwing around using the 25th Amendment, calling them all terrorists committing treason/sedition, is only going to reinforce that the deep state is not only real but using every tool they have to attack them. In the words of Obama in one of his last discourses as president (or perhaps his firsts as ex-president?), "reality has a way of catching up with you". The more your beliefs deviate from reality, the more you're going to be hitting your head against a wall. What should an appropiate reaction be to people that believe that a deep state rigged the election storming a government building, and a president fueling that?
- yawaemworht 6y ago
  > What should an appropiate reaction be to people that believe that a deep state rigged the election storming a government building, and a president fueling that? Transparency.
  - kace91 6y ago
    What information do you feel that you're missing or being kept away from?

happytoexplain 6y ago

>They truly believe there's a deep state that rigged the election. This is a fallacy. People can convince themselves of pretty much anything with the help of tribalism and leaders willing to lie. That doesn't mean you should sympathize with their desire for violence.

ed25519FUUU 6y ago
Pre-2016 if you would have asked me "Are electronic voting systems vulnerable to hacking?" I would have said "Absolutely yes." Post 2020 if you ask me "Are electronic voting systems vulnerable to hacking" my answer is still "Absolutely yes" Weird so many people did some kind of dipsy-doo flip-aroo with elections in 2016/2020.
- MajorBee 6y ago
  How about electronic voting systems backed by paper ballots?
  - rzz3 6y ago
    Do you remember 2000 and the Diebold controversy? We had an Diebold engineer testifying on record about the deficiencies of these systems. I know it’s been 20 years, but I do think we need to take the integrity of our elections more seriously (and I say that being VERY happy that Trump lost the election).
    - MajorBee 6y ago
      Well, I don't think anyone claims that electronic voting systems should be the source of truth for vote-count; it's mostly there for convenience and if there is any doubt at all about its integrity, the paper ballots can always (and often are) busted out to be counted by hand.
      - rzz3 6y ago
        Paper ballots help, but it’s still not a properly secure system.
- lolc 6y ago
  But the question is not whether they are vulnerable, but whether they were actually abused. Big difference. We have evidence of the former. And virtually no evidence of the latter.
  - ed25519FUUU 6y ago
    There’s almost no way you could know. Personally I don’t like our voting technology coming from Venezula but maybe that’s just me.
    - lolc 6y ago
      I don't like the machines either. But you can't go from "could have" to "did" without evidence. Luckily where I live I get to vote on paper. It prevents such debates.
xaedes 6y ago
I think the poster above is worried about more violence. In which way do you read that as "sympathize with their desire for violence"?
yanderekko 6y ago
It means that they're not guilty of sedition/treason, which is what they're being accused of by the other tribe with its own desire for violence.

klipt 6y ago

If the deep state wanted to rig the election in favor of Dems, why not give them a bunch of state governments in 2020 so they can undo the Republicans' house gerrymandering?

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kace91 6y ago

> They truly believe there's a deep state that rigged the election. Throwing around using the 25th Amendment, calling them all terrorists committing treason/sedition, is only going to reinforce that the deep state is not only real but using every tool they have to attack them. In the words of Obama in one of his last discourses as president (or perhaps his firsts as ex-president?), "reality has a way of catching up with you". The more your beliefs deviate from reality, the more you're going to be hitting your head against a wall. What should an appropiate reaction be to people that believe that a deep state rigged the election storming a government building, and a president fueling that?

yawaemworht 6y ago
> What should an appropiate reaction be to people that believe that a deep state rigged the election storming a government building, and a president fueling that? Transparency.
- kace91 6y ago
  What information do you feel that you're missing or being kept away from?