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People being relegated to digital ghettos (Parler) is not a sign of healthy discourse. This is about individuals not feeling like they can speak publicly.

mrtksn 6y ago
Sure but how is this the other half’s fault? Are the other people obligated to accept lies and bigotry? What’s the plan here? Maybe the people who are into alternative facts should not annoy people who are into facts?
- newguy1234 6y ago
  You have to discuss with them diplomatically instead of say "haha, dumb trumper" or something similar. There are left-wing trolls that basically do that lol and the right-wing people just leave to go to the alt-right websites instead. Why do you think there are so many of these right-wing "talk shows" on places like youtube?
  - sagichmal 6y ago
    This is an anachronistic view, and empirically ineffective.
SirHound 6y ago
Speech has consequences. The snowflakes should stick to The Donald and Parler - where, by the way, I probably wouldn’t be able to speak publically.
- ng12 6y ago
  But why can't they exist on the same domain as you? Reddit is federated by design, it should be equally open to right-leaning and left-leaning subs.
  - newguy1234 6y ago
    Because left-wing activists run reddit and they enjoy censoring the right-wing. So most get fed up and go to the alt right websites instead. Guess what they do there? "Hey have you heard about white genocide??" etc. There are even people that specifically go to reddit to encourage people to leave and go to the alt right website. It is a form of recruiting for the cause so to speak.
  - maest 6y ago
    There are both right and left leaning subs on reddit and it works ok. Reddit occasionally bans subreddits for various reasons (see r/fatpeplehate and the predecessor to r/hydrohomies). True, r/thedonald was banned, but not because of political leaning (r/conservative is running just fine), but because of how it was spreading misinformation and calling for violence.
    - ng12 6y ago
      > but because of how it was spreading misinformation and calling for violence That's the rhetoric Reddit used but I was completely unconvinced. They spent the better part of a year looking for a reason to ban /r/td, going as far as to invent "quarantining" as a soft-ban, and when they finally did so the cited evidence was extremely unconvincing.
    - yanderekko 6y ago
      >There are both right and left leaning subs on reddit and it works ok. But for any given sub that isn't political, there probably are not right and left-leaning subs. And given that viewpoint-based moderation is overwhelmingly-common on Reddit, this means that on non-politics based subreddits then engaging on any political issue as a right-leaning individual carries a decent risk of getting some sort of wrongthink ban. It's extremely common, sadly, and even though one can avoid politics entirely it's hard to just watch people circlejerk and mock people who hold your views when these issues do arise.
      - wesleywt 6y ago
        I think you are confusing right learning opinions with outright racism, anti-Semitism and calling for violence against various minority groups.
- rzz3 6y ago
  That’s exactly the problem. They can’t talk to you and you can’t talk to them. You don’t get to tell them why they’re wrong or work to find common ground anymore. Their ideas are allowed to fester in their protected bubble. This is extremely destructive to democracy and open discourse.
- reitanqild 6y ago
  > where, by the way, I probably wouldn’t be able to speak publically. I had a look at Parler earlier. People like you are loud and vocal there too, you can start with the parody account Breitfart for example, the difference is that others are allowed to be loud and vocal there too. So in a way equally bad as Twitter, just a bit more "nuanced" and even more noisy.
cycrutchfield 6y ago
Then they shouldn't have violated policies that resulted in their account getting banned. They weren't banned for their political beliefs, they were banned in large part because they were doing one of the following: doxxing, harassing, threatening, inciting violence, etc.

mrtksn 6y ago

Sure but how is this the other half’s fault? Are the other people obligated to accept lies and bigotry? What’s the plan here? Maybe the people who are into alternative facts should not annoy people who are into facts?

newguy1234 6y ago
You have to discuss with them diplomatically instead of say "haha, dumb trumper" or something similar. There are left-wing trolls that basically do that lol and the right-wing people just leave to go to the alt-right websites instead. Why do you think there are so many of these right-wing "talk shows" on places like youtube?
- sagichmal 6y ago
  This is an anachronistic view, and empirically ineffective.

SirHound 6y ago

Speech has consequences. The snowflakes should stick to The Donald and Parler - where, by the way, I probably wouldn’t be able to speak publically.

ng12 6y ago
But why can't they exist on the same domain as you? Reddit is federated by design, it should be equally open to right-leaning and left-leaning subs.
- newguy1234 6y ago
  Because left-wing activists run reddit and they enjoy censoring the right-wing. So most get fed up and go to the alt right websites instead. Guess what they do there? "Hey have you heard about white genocide??" etc. There are even people that specifically go to reddit to encourage people to leave and go to the alt right website. It is a form of recruiting for the cause so to speak.
- maest 6y ago
  There are both right and left leaning subs on reddit and it works ok. Reddit occasionally bans subreddits for various reasons (see r/fatpeplehate and the predecessor to r/hydrohomies). True, r/thedonald was banned, but not because of political leaning (r/conservative is running just fine), but because of how it was spreading misinformation and calling for violence.
  - ng12 6y ago
    > but because of how it was spreading misinformation and calling for violence That's the rhetoric Reddit used but I was completely unconvinced. They spent the better part of a year looking for a reason to ban /r/td, going as far as to invent "quarantining" as a soft-ban, and when they finally did so the cited evidence was extremely unconvincing.
  - yanderekko 6y ago
    >There are both right and left leaning subs on reddit and it works ok. But for any given sub that isn't political, there probably are not right and left-leaning subs. And given that viewpoint-based moderation is overwhelmingly-common on Reddit, this means that on non-politics based subreddits then engaging on any political issue as a right-leaning individual carries a decent risk of getting some sort of wrongthink ban. It's extremely common, sadly, and even though one can avoid politics entirely it's hard to just watch people circlejerk and mock people who hold your views when these issues do arise.
    - wesleywt 6y ago
      I think you are confusing right learning opinions with outright racism, anti-Semitism and calling for violence against various minority groups.
rzz3 6y ago
That’s exactly the problem. They can’t talk to you and you can’t talk to them. You don’t get to tell them why they’re wrong or work to find common ground anymore. Their ideas are allowed to fester in their protected bubble. This is extremely destructive to democracy and open discourse.
reitanqild 6y ago
> where, by the way, I probably wouldn’t be able to speak publically. I had a look at Parler earlier. People like you are loud and vocal there too, you can start with the parody account Breitfart for example, the difference is that others are allowed to be loud and vocal there too. So in a way equally bad as Twitter, just a bit more "nuanced" and even more noisy.

cycrutchfield 6y ago

Then they shouldn't have violated policies that resulted in their account getting banned. They weren't banned for their political beliefs, they were banned in large part because they were doing one of the following: doxxing, harassing, threatening, inciting violence, etc.