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Are there any voting machines that actually SOLELY tabulate electronically that don't have a paper record? I believe they all print out a ballot or receipt tha

Are there any voting machines that actually SOLELY tabulate electronically that don't have a paper record? I believe they all print out a ballot or receipt that records the vote and those are what are counted/scanned and or can be in verifications/recounts (maybe i can't think of an example let me know if so i would also agree that not having a paper record is bad but i dont think it exists).

avhon1 6y ago
Yes there are. In 2016 I voted in Indiana on a voting machine that was all-electronic. I didn't put my vote down on paper, and the machine didn't produce a paper record for me to examine. After I voted, I asked if I could have a record of my vote, and was told I couldn't. In 2020, in the same city, I voted by marking a paper ballot and inserting it into a machine which scanned it and output it into a sealed box.
- dillondoyle 6y ago
  wow that's bad I thought it was all gone but looks like a couple luddites. i just found this source [1] sounds like LA lacks it statewide yikes. sounds like Indiana's law says not until 2029... sarcastically, you know, because it takes that long (more likely they have no funding and refuse to raise taxes/take fed money). https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/voting-system-paper-trail-requirements.aspx https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/voting...
- avhon1 6y ago
  Next-day correction: during the 2016 election, I voted in a different city (about an hour's drive away, but in the same state) from the city that I voted in 2020. I was attending college in the city where I currently live and vote, but at the time I was still registered to vote in my hometown.
Hnrobert42 6y ago
I know in parts of Virginia as late as 2014 it was electronic only. I am not sure about more recently.
SV_BubbleTime 6y ago
What good is a receipt if a user can literally “correct” votes in a silent “adjudication” process and just print the “corrected” numbers? I don’t buy a lot of the claims going on here, but what does a receipt do if you don’t trust the machine? Or more importantly the operator?

avhon1 6y ago

Yes there are. In 2016 I voted in Indiana on a voting machine that was all-electronic. I didn't put my vote down on paper, and the machine didn't produce a paper record for me to examine. After I voted, I asked if I could have a record of my vote, and was told I couldn't. In 2020, in the same city, I voted by marking a paper ballot and inserting it into a machine which scanned it and output it into a sealed box.

dillondoyle 6y ago
wow that's bad I thought it was all gone but looks like a couple luddites. i just found this source [1] sounds like LA lacks it statewide yikes. sounds like Indiana's law says not until 2029... sarcastically, you know, because it takes that long (more likely they have no funding and refuse to raise taxes/take fed money). https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/voting-system-paper-trail-requirements.aspx https://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/voting...
avhon1 6y ago
Next-day correction: during the 2016 election, I voted in a different city (about an hour's drive away, but in the same state) from the city that I voted in 2020. I was attending college in the city where I currently live and vote, but at the time I was still registered to vote in my hometown.

Hnrobert42 6y ago

I know in parts of Virginia as late as 2014 it was electronic only. I am not sure about more recently.

SV_BubbleTime 6y ago

What good is a receipt if a user can literally “correct” votes in a silent “adjudication” process and just print the “corrected” numbers? I don’t buy a lot of the claims going on here, but what does a receipt do if you don’t trust the machine? Or more importantly the operator?