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Mail-in ballots are sent out to people who request them. You would need such a massive identity fraud campaign to move the needle on an election that I can’t b

Mail-in ballots are sent out to people who request them. You would need such a massive identity fraud campaign to move the needle on an election that I can’t believe you would be unable to find any evidence of it anywhere in 50 states. There are no signs to indicate further investigation is needed. Also importantly, there are enough audits in place to catch the whiff of a foul election that can be litigated with evidence discovery.

baud147258 6y ago
You don't need to do it in all 50 states, just in a few key swing states where the votes were close enough. But even then you still need a quite big identity fraud to pull this off.
- 8note 6y ago
  The solution to that is different though. You need to make sure that swing states matter less
SV_BubbleTime 6y ago
> You would need such a massive identity fraud campaign to move the needle on an election What was the final delta in GA? 11k votes or so? Are you sure it is impossible to move the needle when there are these razor thin margins? I don’t know so I’m asking.
- willis936 6y ago
  You're going to collect sufficient private personal information about and successfully impersonate 12,000 citizens without anyone noticing? The burden of proof is not on me here. It's an absurd challenge. You can't just hand wave it away. That difficulty is by design. That's the system working.
- hellotomyrars 6y ago
  Even if you throw out or flip Georgia, the math still doesn't work out for electoral votes. So now you have to move the goalposts to saying that there was massive voter fraud in every battleground state. Let's be clear, every state certified their votes. This includes states with republican leadership. And every court case brought against the election results has failed. Even if you accept the idea that in many ways it is difficult or impossible to audit the results (I don't agree), the only evidence that has been presented against the result are absurd conspiracy theories and patent falsehoods as well as testimony from people with an axe to grind. In other cases we have seen (Gore) there was an actually agreed upon issue. Hanging chads on the ballots were real and verifiable. This is not the case today. Also let us be clear that this has not happened before. It is not before the current administration that "massive voter fraud" has entered the conversation. It was presented in 2016 despite Trumps win (amusing). It is presented now for no other reason than to distract, raise money, and serve the fragile ego of the President.
  - SV_BubbleTime 6y ago
    So we’ve moved from there is no fraud To there could have been fraud but not enough to win a state To, ok, maybe one state but not enough states No dude. No amount of potential fraud is acceptable.
    - hellotomyrars 6y ago
      So every election since the founding of our country is invalid? Nice try but you’re a bad actor and you know it. Actual instances of fraud that have been found have been dealt with and surprise, they didn’t change the outcome of this election. If you truly believe that there is massive voter fraud on an unprecedented scale you are quite literally refusing to live in reality and nobody can help you now. My point is quite clearly that not only are the allegations being made about the election results being invalid are absurd but that even if you accept parts of it unless you accept all of it it doesn’t even have an impact on the outcome.

baud147258 6y ago

You don't need to do it in all 50 states, just in a few key swing states where the votes were close enough. But even then you still need a quite big identity fraud to pull this off.

8note 6y ago
The solution to that is different though. You need to make sure that swing states matter less

SV_BubbleTime 6y ago

> You would need such a massive identity fraud campaign to move the needle on an election What was the final delta in GA? 11k votes or so? Are you sure it is impossible to move the needle when there are these razor thin margins? I don’t know so I’m asking.

willis936 6y ago
You're going to collect sufficient private personal information about and successfully impersonate 12,000 citizens without anyone noticing? The burden of proof is not on me here. It's an absurd challenge. You can't just hand wave it away. That difficulty is by design. That's the system working.
hellotomyrars 6y ago
Even if you throw out or flip Georgia, the math still doesn't work out for electoral votes. So now you have to move the goalposts to saying that there was massive voter fraud in every battleground state. Let's be clear, every state certified their votes. This includes states with republican leadership. And every court case brought against the election results has failed. Even if you accept the idea that in many ways it is difficult or impossible to audit the results (I don't agree), the only evidence that has been presented against the result are absurd conspiracy theories and patent falsehoods as well as testimony from people with an axe to grind. In other cases we have seen (Gore) there was an actually agreed upon issue. Hanging chads on the ballots were real and verifiable. This is not the case today. Also let us be clear that this has not happened before. It is not before the current administration that "massive voter fraud" has entered the conversation. It was presented in 2016 despite Trumps win (amusing). It is presented now for no other reason than to distract, raise money, and serve the fragile ego of the President.
- SV_BubbleTime 6y ago
  So we’ve moved from there is no fraud To there could have been fraud but not enough to win a state To, ok, maybe one state but not enough states No dude. No amount of potential fraud is acceptable.
  - hellotomyrars 6y ago
    So every election since the founding of our country is invalid? Nice try but you’re a bad actor and you know it. Actual instances of fraud that have been found have been dealt with and surprise, they didn’t change the outcome of this election. If you truly believe that there is massive voter fraud on an unprecedented scale you are quite literally refusing to live in reality and nobody can help you now. My point is quite clearly that not only are the allegations being made about the election results being invalid are absurd but that even if you accept parts of it unless you accept all of it it doesn’t even have an impact on the outcome.