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the video from Georgia still hasn't been explained satisfactorily.

eli 6y ago
This video? https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-donald-trump-georgia-media-social-media-e9a73462e39e7aa39683f0f582a6659e https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-donald-trump-georgi...
- chordalkeyboard 6y ago
  presumably? I'm not sure how many videos of alleged ballot fraud are floating around and the link you posted doesn't have a link to the video so I can only assume we are talking about the same thing. >> No one told observers they had to leave, and both an independent monitor and an investigator oversaw the vote count, according to state and county officials. The observers dispute this, and reaffirm their claim that they were asked to leave. >> Confusion arose when election workers thought they were done for the night, but then were instructed to continue scanning ballots. Yes, everyone was aware that vote counting was supposed to stop at 11pm but after they got rid of everyone else, this one team continued to count ballots that had been prepped and hidden. > But investigators who reviewed the entire surveillance tape confirmed it showed “normal ballot processing,” according to Gabriel Sterling, a top official in the secretary of state’s office. It's normal to do this? Perhaps the problem here is that the actual activities are not in dispute, but one party considers them normal and one party is unhappy that fraud is considered normal. >> After a short period when observers weren’t present, an independent state election board monitor arrived to oversee the scanning at 11:52 p.m., Barron said. A state investigator arrived at 12:15 a.m. Both individuals remained at the facility until the count concluded for the night, he said. The Georgia secretary of state’s office said it was aware of the late-night counting, and confirmed that both its investigator and an independent monitor observed scanning “until it was halted for the night.” The office said it had launched an investigation into why partisan poll observers left before scanning ended. Sounds like we really need to get that investigative report.
  - eli 6y ago
    What is it that you think happened here? Like specifically how would this fraud work? The ballots have all been accounted for, an investigation confirmed no boxes were added or removed, and all the ballots in Georgia were subsequently audited and then recounted twice. Here is a slightly better link that further links to some source documents including that state investigators testimony (since this whole thing of course was already considered and rejected by a court) https://www.factcheck.org/2020/12/video-doesnt-show-suitcases-of-illegal-ballots-in-georgia/ https://www.factcheck.org/2020/12/video-doesnt-show-suitcase... Do you think the investigators report would contradict their own testimony? Not that it should matter, but all the county and state election officials involved are Republicans too.
    - chordalkeyboard 6y ago
      > What is it that you think happened here? Like specifically how would this fraud work? [0] > The ballots have all been accounted for, an investigation confirmed no boxes were added or removed, and all the ballots in Georgia were subsequently audited and then recounted twice. Can you link to the report of this investigation? How did they determine that no ballots were added? What is the chain of custody for the ballots that were removed from under the table? > Here is a slightly better link >> Pick theorized that the machines in the room could have totaled “18,000 ballots.” (Biden won the state by less than 12,000 votes.) But that’s wrong, according to the state election board monitor who was in the room as they counted. One of the guys implicated in the alleged fraud says its wouldn't have been enough to change the result. Did they attempt to verify this statement? >> The investigation remains open. Interesting how that works. They're confident enough that there's not anything there that they're willing to make public statements, but they're not willing to close the investigation and issue a report so people's concerns can be alleviated. > Do you think the investigators report would contradict their own testimony? Its possible but its more likely it would show how well (or not) the claims were investigated and present the evidence that was used to substantiate or reject the claims. The affidavit doesn't present any evidence other than the testimony of the investigator (who wasn't present at the incident) and is therefore meaningfully contradicted by the testimony of people who were there. > Not that it should matter, but all the county and state election officials involved are Republicans too. That's correct, it shouldn't matter and it does not matter. [0] https://ballotpedia.org/Ballot_stuffing https://ballotpedia.org/Ballot_stuffing

eli 6y ago

This video? https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-donald-trump-georgia-media-social-media-e9a73462e39e7aa39683f0f582a6659e https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-donald-trump-georgi...

chordalkeyboard 6y ago
presumably? I'm not sure how many videos of alleged ballot fraud are floating around and the link you posted doesn't have a link to the video so I can only assume we are talking about the same thing. >> No one told observers they had to leave, and both an independent monitor and an investigator oversaw the vote count, according to state and county officials. The observers dispute this, and reaffirm their claim that they were asked to leave. >> Confusion arose when election workers thought they were done for the night, but then were instructed to continue scanning ballots. Yes, everyone was aware that vote counting was supposed to stop at 11pm but after they got rid of everyone else, this one team continued to count ballots that had been prepped and hidden. > But investigators who reviewed the entire surveillance tape confirmed it showed “normal ballot processing,” according to Gabriel Sterling, a top official in the secretary of state’s office. It's normal to do this? Perhaps the problem here is that the actual activities are not in dispute, but one party considers them normal and one party is unhappy that fraud is considered normal. >> After a short period when observers weren’t present, an independent state election board monitor arrived to oversee the scanning at 11:52 p.m., Barron said. A state investigator arrived at 12:15 a.m. Both individuals remained at the facility until the count concluded for the night, he said. The Georgia secretary of state’s office said it was aware of the late-night counting, and confirmed that both its investigator and an independent monitor observed scanning “until it was halted for the night.” The office said it had launched an investigation into why partisan poll observers left before scanning ended. Sounds like we really need to get that investigative report.
- eli 6y ago
  What is it that you think happened here? Like specifically how would this fraud work? The ballots have all been accounted for, an investigation confirmed no boxes were added or removed, and all the ballots in Georgia were subsequently audited and then recounted twice. Here is a slightly better link that further links to some source documents including that state investigators testimony (since this whole thing of course was already considered and rejected by a court) https://www.factcheck.org/2020/12/video-doesnt-show-suitcases-of-illegal-ballots-in-georgia/ https://www.factcheck.org/2020/12/video-doesnt-show-suitcase... Do you think the investigators report would contradict their own testimony? Not that it should matter, but all the county and state election officials involved are Republicans too.
  - chordalkeyboard 6y ago
    > What is it that you think happened here? Like specifically how would this fraud work? [0] > The ballots have all been accounted for, an investigation confirmed no boxes were added or removed, and all the ballots in Georgia were subsequently audited and then recounted twice. Can you link to the report of this investigation? How did they determine that no ballots were added? What is the chain of custody for the ballots that were removed from under the table? > Here is a slightly better link >> Pick theorized that the machines in the room could have totaled “18,000 ballots.” (Biden won the state by less than 12,000 votes.) But that’s wrong, according to the state election board monitor who was in the room as they counted. One of the guys implicated in the alleged fraud says its wouldn't have been enough to change the result. Did they attempt to verify this statement? >> The investigation remains open. Interesting how that works. They're confident enough that there's not anything there that they're willing to make public statements, but they're not willing to close the investigation and issue a report so people's concerns can be alleviated. > Do you think the investigators report would contradict their own testimony? Its possible but its more likely it would show how well (or not) the claims were investigated and present the evidence that was used to substantiate or reject the claims. The affidavit doesn't present any evidence other than the testimony of the investigator (who wasn't present at the incident) and is therefore meaningfully contradicted by the testimony of people who were there. > Not that it should matter, but all the county and state election officials involved are Republicans too. That's correct, it shouldn't matter and it does not matter. [0] https://ballotpedia.org/Ballot_stuffing https://ballotpedia.org/Ballot_stuffing