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But it's still not Linux certified. About the DMCA, yes it sucks, and yes, it would be irrational to sue because of that, that's why it would be interesting.

by gm 18y ago

But it's still not Linux certified. About the DMCA, yes it sucks, and yes, it would be irrational to sue because of that, that's why it would be interesting. Anyway, not that I am hoping for that. Stupid laws should go away.

ajross 18y ago
I'm not following your logic. ACPI is a published, open standard. Foxconn doesn't need to do anything for "linux" or "windows" specifically. They just put the tables in memory and hand them to the OS to use. But they aren't. They're specifically testing for OS versions and handing back different (and, in this case, broken) data to "linux" software. At best, that's horribly broken and a reason to avoid Foxconn hardware. Excusing it with this "Certification(tm)" canard is just spin, and you appear to have fallen for it hook, line and sinker.
- gm 18y ago
  Well, you guys can mod me down all you want, but the fact remains, they said the motherboard itself is not certified for Linux, so putting Linux on it is a gamble, regardless of the ACPI standard. "Run an O/S we support, and tell us if the motherboard still does not work": Pretty standard response when you try to do something unsupported and then run into trouble. There's no manufacturer that's going to tell you otherwise. Try and complain to Intel about overclocking problems with their motherboards: They will first say "turn off the overclocking and tell me if it does not work still. Oh, and you have just voided your warranty." Just switch brands already. I have my own brand that I like for MBs exactly because I have never had to put up with this cheesy crap from the mfg I use. Foxconn sucks for pulling this crap, so the guy writing the article should stay away from retard brands. Next time, spend the extra $10 or whatever and get a good motherboard. That is the real lesson I see in all of this.
  - orib 18y ago
    Linux claims to support the ACPI standard. This motherboard claims to support the ACPI standard. Ergo, Linux support is implicitly claimed by transitivity, barring bugs. If you bought a desk that was rated for holding 100 pounds of stuff, and it collapsed because you put 75 pounds of monitors on it (well, they were big CRTs...). You call the company, and they refuse to honor the warranty because they don't provide CRT support, despite their desk being certified for 100 pounds of weight. Now, if you're saying that it's ridiculous to expect a cheap manufacturer to actually conform to the specs they say they do... well, you may have a point.
  - krschultz 18y ago
    I don't think you understand the problem here. The board works under Linux if the BIOS is modified to follow the ACPI spec, but under their own implementation it does not follow the spec. Thus at the minimum it is a faulty product that does not match the advertisement, and at worst it is an anti-trust violation. Certified or not, recommended or not, warranty or not, it does not fulfill the spec. The fact that Vista covers this up does not mean that it fits the spec when running Vista, no matter how you slice it, it is broken.
    - gm 18y ago
      I just think that it's gonna be hard for anyone who can do something about this to give a sh*t. Anti-trust instead of false advertising? Now I know for a fact nothing's gonna happen. Anti-trust cases are about the hardest to do. Anti-trust... Why would that be anti-trust anyway? Where do monopolies come into play?
      - gm 18y ago
        From: http://mjg59.livejournal.com/94905.html http://mjg59.livejournal.com/94905.html "Anyway. Accusing companies of conspiring against us when the most likely explanation is simply that they don't care is a fucking ridiculous thing to do and does nothing to get rid of the impression that Linux users are a bunch of whining childish hatemongers. Next time, try talking to someone who actually understands this stuff first?" Thank you, Matt. Now all you downmodders, please upmod me :-) Seriously, you guys should not downmod just because a post disagrees with you.
        jcl 18y ago
        "I think it's ok to use the up and down arrows to express agreement." -- PG http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=117171 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=117171

by gm 18y ago

ajross 18y ago

I'm not following your logic. ACPI is a published, open standard. Foxconn doesn't need to do anything for "linux" or "windows" specifically. They just put the tables in memory and hand them to the OS to use. But they aren't. They're specifically testing for OS versions and handing back different (and, in this case, broken) data to "linux" software. At best, that's horribly broken and a reason to avoid Foxconn hardware. Excusing it with this "Certification(tm)" canard is just spin, and you appear to have fallen for it hook, line and sinker.

gm 18y ago
Well, you guys can mod me down all you want, but the fact remains, they said the motherboard itself is not certified for Linux, so putting Linux on it is a gamble, regardless of the ACPI standard. "Run an O/S we support, and tell us if the motherboard still does not work": Pretty standard response when you try to do something unsupported and then run into trouble. There's no manufacturer that's going to tell you otherwise. Try and complain to Intel about overclocking problems with their motherboards: They will first say "turn off the overclocking and tell me if it does not work still. Oh, and you have just voided your warranty." Just switch brands already. I have my own brand that I like for MBs exactly because I have never had to put up with this cheesy crap from the mfg I use. Foxconn sucks for pulling this crap, so the guy writing the article should stay away from retard brands. Next time, spend the extra $10 or whatever and get a good motherboard. That is the real lesson I see in all of this.
- orib 18y ago
  Linux claims to support the ACPI standard. This motherboard claims to support the ACPI standard. Ergo, Linux support is implicitly claimed by transitivity, barring bugs. If you bought a desk that was rated for holding 100 pounds of stuff, and it collapsed because you put 75 pounds of monitors on it (well, they were big CRTs...). You call the company, and they refuse to honor the warranty because they don't provide CRT support, despite their desk being certified for 100 pounds of weight. Now, if you're saying that it's ridiculous to expect a cheap manufacturer to actually conform to the specs they say they do... well, you may have a point.
- krschultz 18y ago
  I don't think you understand the problem here. The board works under Linux if the BIOS is modified to follow the ACPI spec, but under their own implementation it does not follow the spec. Thus at the minimum it is a faulty product that does not match the advertisement, and at worst it is an anti-trust violation. Certified or not, recommended or not, warranty or not, it does not fulfill the spec. The fact that Vista covers this up does not mean that it fits the spec when running Vista, no matter how you slice it, it is broken.
  - gm 18y ago
    I just think that it's gonna be hard for anyone who can do something about this to give a sh*t. Anti-trust instead of false advertising? Now I know for a fact nothing's gonna happen. Anti-trust cases are about the hardest to do. Anti-trust... Why would that be anti-trust anyway? Where do monopolies come into play?
    - gm 18y ago
      From: http://mjg59.livejournal.com/94905.html http://mjg59.livejournal.com/94905.html "Anyway. Accusing companies of conspiring against us when the most likely explanation is simply that they don't care is a fucking ridiculous thing to do and does nothing to get rid of the impression that Linux users are a bunch of whining childish hatemongers. Next time, try talking to someone who actually understands this stuff first?" Thank you, Matt. Now all you downmodders, please upmod me :-) Seriously, you guys should not downmod just because a post disagrees with you.
      - jcl 18y ago
        "I think it's ok to use the up and down arrows to express agreement." -- PG http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=117171 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=117171