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Without centralized coordination, there is very little incentive for an individual to engage in voter fraud -- there is no payoff (because an individual creatin
by tylerhou 6y ago
Without centralized coordination, there is very little incentive for an individual to engage in voter fraud -- there is no payoff (because an individual creating ~100 votes would not meaningfully change an election's result) and the risk is too high (it's a felony with penalty of jail time and large fines).
So given the above, do you believe that 50 people each independently decided to create 1,600 votes for Biden? Or 100 people each independently created 800 votes? A thousand people each created 80? 80,000 each created one?
Remember again that all of these people have near zero incentive to commit voter fraud. Each person would also have to keep their secret and not brag -- something very hard for most humans to do.
> If I were a ballot harvester I could fill in any blanks that someone left on their ballot.
Ballot harvesting is illegal in PA [1]. Also, ballots envelopes are generally sealed by the voter and election workers would notice if a seal is broken and not count the vote [2].
[1] https://www.publicsource.org/what-is-ballot-harvesting-and-who-can-and-cant-deliver-your-mail-ballot-in-pa/ https://www.publicsource.org/what-is-ballot-harvesting-and-w...
[2] https://6abc.com/naked-ballots-pennsylvania-pa-voting-in/6962025/ https://6abc.com/naked-ballots-pennsylvania-pa-voting-in/696...
> If I were a postal worker I could just lose some mail if someone had the wrong sign in their yard.
Ballots are tracked, and then the postal worker would rely on the voter not checking the status of their ballot. If there is a pattern, then the postal worker would likely be arrested or fined, so in all likelihood each postal worker could only "lose" one or two ballots.
- Consultant32452 6y agoYou keep framing things as if I believe that only Biden votes would be fraudulent. I believe Republicans are just as capable of fraud as Democrats. >Remember again that all of these people have near zero incentive to commit voter fraud. The stakes are control over the most powerful government in the history of the planet being on your team vs the other team. And literally Hitler Putin puppet/Communist dementia man was on the ballot. The stakes couldn't be higher. >Ballots are tracked, and then the postal worker would rely on the voter not checking the status of their ballot. If there is a pattern, then the postal worker would likely be arrested or fined, so in all likelihood each postal worker could only "lose" one or two ballots. Your understanding of average human behavior is very different than mine.
- tylerhou 6y ago> Your understanding of average human behavior is very different than mine. I promise you postal workers are well aware of the implications of losing mail, and especially losing ballots. Postal workers have been prosecuted for dumping mail and ballots in the past, and I'm sure the USPS reinforces the severity of such a crime in their trainings. https://www.justice.gov/usao-wdny/pr/postal-worker-arrested-and-charged-failing-deliver-over-800-pieces-mail-which-included https://www.justice.gov/usao-wdny/pr/postal-worker-arrested-...