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I missed the bit where BLM and the magical antifa organisation were rioting before police assaulted them. I missed the bit where BLM tried to use force to overt

by olliej 6y ago

I missed the bit where BLM and the magical antifa organisation were rioting before police assaulted them. I missed the bit where BLM tried to use force to overthrow the elected government because they lost an election.

abernard1 6y ago
What a world it must be to be you. CHAZ. The Antifa assaults of people at DC. The fact that you can't get a business insured at any cost in Portland or Minneapolis. The mayor of Portland tear gassed by Antifa. These people are burning down some of the richest cities in America, and the wealthy class in blue cities are too afraid to confront them on it because of what their friends think. 2021 is shaping up to be an exaggerated version of 2020 until people start confronting reality.
- dang 6y ago
  Personal attacks will get you banned here, and ideological flamewar is not cool either. Please stick to the intended spirit of the site when commenting here: thoughtful, substantive conversation—not snark, and certainly not internet-battle-to-the-death, which is what this sort of exchange amounts to. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - abernard1 6y ago
    I don't care. :-) Ban me.
    - dang 6y ago
      I'd rather persuade you. That ought to be doable, since it's not in your interest to have this place burn to a crisp.
      - themaninthedark 6y ago
        Dang, I want to take time to thank you for working hard and keeping this place civil but also working to encourage discourse between opposing views. Over the course of the past months I have seen several political threads and while they get heated, there is also good conversation. I am not sure how often that people are actually swayed but the fact that conversation can take place where other sites have turned into echo chambers or massive flame wars is a testament to your hard work.
  - abernard1 6y ago
    > Personal attacks will get you banned here, and ideological flamewar is not cool either. What Facebook is doing is an ideological flamewar. Now please stick to the script, pretend that HN and your moderation isn't totally biased on a certain worldview, and feel free to ban me. My comment is quite frankly--in kind--for how unbecoming this response is from Facebook.
    - dang 6y ago
      You may be right, but we're trying for something different here. The HN guidelines are all about not responding in kind. Why? Because it always feels like the other person started it and/or did worse. Rightly or wrongly, everyone feels this way—so if we're all going to respond "in kind", that's a recipe for a downward spiral and eventually for scorched earth. The reason we don't want that is that it's not an interesting outcome for anybody. This means that, regardless of our views, we all have to work on learning to keep a certain standard even when the other side isn't keeping it. We don't do that because the other side necessarily deserves that from us. We do it for ourselves, and to help take care of the community we all belong to.
- ethbr0 6y ago
  > These people are burning down some of the richest cities in America "Burning areas" would be the extent, if one is being accurate. We're not talking 1968 Washington riots.
starkd 6y ago
they did damage many businesses. Walk through minneapolis, place was destroyed. Storming the capitol is not appropriate, and i'm not drawing a moral equivalence, but those people will be arrested and charged. Many of the rioters over the summer were not. Celebrities raised bail money for them.
- freeone3000 6y ago
  Watching the coverage live, the police treatment of today's insurrectionists and the BLM protestors is fairly stark. I watched the kettle tonight, and it looks like arrests were not a priority for the VA State Police on the ground.
  - starkd 6y ago
    well, the congressional police shot one of them. If they had shot any of the BLM protestors there would have been more riots.
dang 6y ago
Please stick to the intended spirit of the site when commenting here: thoughtful, substantive conversation—not snark, and certainly not internet-battle-to-the-death, which is what this sort of exchange amounts to. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

by olliej 6y ago

abernard1 6y ago

What a world it must be to be you. CHAZ. The Antifa assaults of people at DC. The fact that you can't get a business insured at any cost in Portland or Minneapolis. The mayor of Portland tear gassed by Antifa. These people are burning down some of the richest cities in America, and the wealthy class in blue cities are too afraid to confront them on it because of what their friends think. 2021 is shaping up to be an exaggerated version of 2020 until people start confronting reality.

dang 6y ago
Personal attacks will get you banned here, and ideological flamewar is not cool either. Please stick to the intended spirit of the site when commenting here: thoughtful, substantive conversation—not snark, and certainly not internet-battle-to-the-death, which is what this sort of exchange amounts to. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- abernard1 6y ago
  I don't care. :-) Ban me.
  - dang 6y ago
    I'd rather persuade you. That ought to be doable, since it's not in your interest to have this place burn to a crisp.
    - themaninthedark 6y ago
      Dang, I want to take time to thank you for working hard and keeping this place civil but also working to encourage discourse between opposing views. Over the course of the past months I have seen several political threads and while they get heated, there is also good conversation. I am not sure how often that people are actually swayed but the fact that conversation can take place where other sites have turned into echo chambers or massive flame wars is a testament to your hard work.
- abernard1 6y ago
  > Personal attacks will get you banned here, and ideological flamewar is not cool either. What Facebook is doing is an ideological flamewar. Now please stick to the script, pretend that HN and your moderation isn't totally biased on a certain worldview, and feel free to ban me. My comment is quite frankly--in kind--for how unbecoming this response is from Facebook.
  - dang 6y ago
    You may be right, but we're trying for something different here. The HN guidelines are all about not responding in kind. Why? Because it always feels like the other person started it and/or did worse. Rightly or wrongly, everyone feels this way—so if we're all going to respond "in kind", that's a recipe for a downward spiral and eventually for scorched earth. The reason we don't want that is that it's not an interesting outcome for anybody. This means that, regardless of our views, we all have to work on learning to keep a certain standard even when the other side isn't keeping it. We don't do that because the other side necessarily deserves that from us. We do it for ourselves, and to help take care of the community we all belong to.
ethbr0 6y ago
> These people are burning down some of the richest cities in America "Burning areas" would be the extent, if one is being accurate. We're not talking 1968 Washington riots.

starkd 6y ago

they did damage many businesses. Walk through minneapolis, place was destroyed. Storming the capitol is not appropriate, and i'm not drawing a moral equivalence, but those people will be arrested and charged. Many of the rioters over the summer were not. Celebrities raised bail money for them.

freeone3000 6y ago
Watching the coverage live, the police treatment of today's insurrectionists and the BLM protestors is fairly stark. I watched the kettle tonight, and it looks like arrests were not a priority for the VA State Police on the ground.
- starkd 6y ago
  well, the congressional police shot one of them. If they had shot any of the BLM protestors there would have been more riots.

dang 6y ago

Please stick to the intended spirit of the site when commenting here: thoughtful, substantive conversation—not snark, and certainly not internet-battle-to-the-death, which is what this sort of exchange amounts to. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html