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That explanation doesn't quite fit with historical opinion polls. It wasn't until 2000 that strong dislike of the opposing party shot up, and dislike had been s

by jml7c5 6y ago

That explanation doesn't quite fit with historical opinion polls. It wasn't until 2000 that strong dislike of the opposing party shot up, and dislike had been slowly growing before that. But it is possible that the sudden change in trajectory was delayed by the 4 year election cycle, which puts politics in the fore of people's minds for durations that are too short for contempt to really snowball. https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2016/06/22/1-feelings-about-partisans-and-the-parties/ https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2016/06/22/1-feelings-a...

tstrimple 6y ago
I don't understand why we're all pretending we don't know what the cause of the partisan divide was. It's all very clearly documented. https://theweek.com/articles/880107/why-fox-news-created https://theweek.com/articles/880107/why-fox-news-created > If Fox News had a DNA test, it would trace its origins to the Nixon administration. In 1970, political consultant Roger Ailes and other Nixon aides came up with a plan to create a new TV network that would circumvent existing media and provide "pro-administration" coverage to millions. "People are lazy," the aides explained in a memo. "With television you just sit — watch — listen. The thinking is done for you." Nixon embraced the idea, saying he and his supporters needed "our own news" from a network that would lead "a brutal, vicious attack on the opposition." Alas, his fantasy network did not come into being at that time, and the 37th president was soon engulfed in the Watergate scandal. At first, Republicans dismissed the scandal as a Washington Post "witch hunt." But then the White House tapes proved beyond doubt that Nixon had used the levers of government to pursue vendettas against his opponents and cover up his extensive skulduggery. Disgusted GOP leaders, including Sen. Howard Baker of the Senate Watergate committee, chose principles over party. Nixon was forced to resign. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/11/newt-gingrich-says-youre-welcome/570832/ https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/11/newt-gi... > “One of the great problems we have in the Republican Party is that we don’t encourage you to be nasty,” he told the group. “We encourage you to be neat, obedient, and loyal, and faithful, and all those Boy Scout words, which would be great around the campfire but are lousy in politics.”
- varvar 6y ago
  implying CNN and so on have any different motifs? Amusing.
  - tstrimple 6y ago
    Please show me the evidence that CNN was created in response to a Democratic scandal in order to consolidate their messaging and provide a friendly news outlet. Until then, you're "enlightened centrist" and "both sides bad" narrative reeks of conservative FUD.
    - 8note 6y ago
      John Stewart spend many years talking about how CNN was built for 9/11. It's there to treat everything as 9/11 and blow every story put of proportion
      - brandmeyer 6y ago
        He was off by at least a decade. It was the television of the first Iraq war that first captured the continuous news media.
      - tstrimple 6y ago
        So you're admitting that it's not the same and that CNN wasn't created explicitly by Democrats as a response to a scandal in an attempt to control their narrative for decades? Thanks for that.
- xnx 6y ago
  Thanks for sharing those sources. The HN crowd overestimates the impact of social media and under estimates the impact of Fox News and Fox News clones. The typical Fox News viewer watches 4 HOURS every day: https://www.foxnews.com/media/fox-news-august-ratings-most-watched-primetime https://www.foxnews.com/media/fox-news-august-ratings-most-w...
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by jml7c5 6y ago

tstrimple 6y ago

I don't understand why we're all pretending we don't know what the cause of the partisan divide was. It's all very clearly documented. https://theweek.com/articles/880107/why-fox-news-created https://theweek.com/articles/880107/why-fox-news-created > If Fox News had a DNA test, it would trace its origins to the Nixon administration. In 1970, political consultant Roger Ailes and other Nixon aides came up with a plan to create a new TV network that would circumvent existing media and provide "pro-administration" coverage to millions. "People are lazy," the aides explained in a memo. "With television you just sit — watch — listen. The thinking is done for you." Nixon embraced the idea, saying he and his supporters needed "our own news" from a network that would lead "a brutal, vicious attack on the opposition." Alas, his fantasy network did not come into being at that time, and the 37th president was soon engulfed in the Watergate scandal. At first, Republicans dismissed the scandal as a Washington Post "witch hunt." But then the White House tapes proved beyond doubt that Nixon had used the levers of government to pursue vendettas against his opponents and cover up his extensive skulduggery. Disgusted GOP leaders, including Sen. Howard Baker of the Senate Watergate committee, chose principles over party. Nixon was forced to resign. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/11/newt-gingrich-says-youre-welcome/570832/ https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/11/newt-gi... > “One of the great problems we have in the Republican Party is that we don’t encourage you to be nasty,” he told the group. “We encourage you to be neat, obedient, and loyal, and faithful, and all those Boy Scout words, which would be great around the campfire but are lousy in politics.”

varvar 6y ago
implying CNN and so on have any different motifs? Amusing.
- tstrimple 6y ago
  Please show me the evidence that CNN was created in response to a Democratic scandal in order to consolidate their messaging and provide a friendly news outlet. Until then, you're "enlightened centrist" and "both sides bad" narrative reeks of conservative FUD.
  - 8note 6y ago
    John Stewart spend many years talking about how CNN was built for 9/11. It's there to treat everything as 9/11 and blow every story put of proportion
    - brandmeyer 6y ago
      He was off by at least a decade. It was the television of the first Iraq war that first captured the continuous news media.
    - tstrimple 6y ago
      So you're admitting that it's not the same and that CNN wasn't created explicitly by Democrats as a response to a scandal in an attempt to control their narrative for decades? Thanks for that.
xnx 6y ago
Thanks for sharing those sources. The HN crowd overestimates the impact of social media and under estimates the impact of Fox News and Fox News clones. The typical Fox News viewer watches 4 HOURS every day: https://www.foxnews.com/media/fox-news-august-ratings-most-watched-primetime https://www.foxnews.com/media/fox-news-august-ratings-most-w...
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