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When I say calls out the problem, I mean fascism speaks to the class rift, and tells them all the wrong ideas and solutions. We agree that this is creating eve

When I say calls out the problem, I mean fascism speaks to the class rift, and tells them all the wrong ideas and solutions. We agree that this is creating even worse problems. The wealth divide in the U.S. has been steadily increasing, and the solution for the working class (higher education) isn't working like it used to, even making it worse for young people. This has lead to an angry working class who feel justified in blaming their problems on other out-groups, whether that's BLM, democrats, China, Mexicans, tech companies, doctors, lgtbq, etc. This is what fascism is feeding on in America, and it has to stop.

baybal2 6y ago
> When I say calls out the problem, I mean fascism speaks to the class rift, and tells them all the wrong ideas and solutions. We agree that this is creating even worse problems. There, we are on the same page. A good historical example I brought up few weeks ago somewhere on HN. A shameful truth from NSDAP days Germans did not come to admit even to this day is why Kristallnacht has happened. The prime majority of Germans were not antisemites in thirties, and not even in forties. The image of the schizophrenoid—paranoid antisemite was completely uncharacteristic for anybody, but for single digit percentage of fanatics not unlike the current rightist crowd in America. So, if most Germans did not drink the NSDAP coolaid, why did Kristallnacht happen? It happened not because of Jewish people being Jewish as such. It happened because of Jewish people being rich (or being deemed so,) and NSDAP effectively promising complete impunity for looting.
- simonh 6y ago
  The vast majority of Jews in Germany back then were dirt poor though. The issue is while most Germans weren’t particularly anti-Semitic, they didn’t care enough about it to object.
- cassepipe 6y ago
  I really wonder about the accuracy of "Jewish people being rich". I seem to remember there was a massive Jewish proletariat that went straight to the camps. German Jewish population might have fared a little better economically (but that remains to be proved with numbers) but I believe most of Eastern Europe Jewish population was NOT rich. So I get your point but I am afraid things are little more complex. (Any sources about the topic welcome)
  - filoleg 6y ago
    I think a more correct way to say it wouldn't be "because of Jewish people being rich", but "because of Jewish people being perceived as rich as a group". I don't think anyone in their right mind would try arguing that most jewish people in Germany at the time were rich, because that was definitely not the case at all.
  - baybal2 6y ago
    Indeed, they weren't that reach at all, and they were on the forefront of the proletarian movement. But now we have all the benefit of the hindsight, and we cannot go back to thirties, and tell that to masses going crazy from destitution, and poverty.

baybal2 6y ago

> When I say calls out the problem, I mean fascism speaks to the class rift, and tells them all the wrong ideas and solutions. We agree that this is creating even worse problems. There, we are on the same page. A good historical example I brought up few weeks ago somewhere on HN. A shameful truth from NSDAP days Germans did not come to admit even to this day is why Kristallnacht has happened. The prime majority of Germans were not antisemites in thirties, and not even in forties. The image of the schizophrenoid—paranoid antisemite was completely uncharacteristic for anybody, but for single digit percentage of fanatics not unlike the current rightist crowd in America. So, if most Germans did not drink the NSDAP coolaid, why did Kristallnacht happen? It happened not because of Jewish people being Jewish as such. It happened because of Jewish people being rich (or being deemed so,) and NSDAP effectively promising complete impunity for looting.

simonh 6y ago
The vast majority of Jews in Germany back then were dirt poor though. The issue is while most Germans weren’t particularly anti-Semitic, they didn’t care enough about it to object.
cassepipe 6y ago
I really wonder about the accuracy of "Jewish people being rich". I seem to remember there was a massive Jewish proletariat that went straight to the camps. German Jewish population might have fared a little better economically (but that remains to be proved with numbers) but I believe most of Eastern Europe Jewish population was NOT rich. So I get your point but I am afraid things are little more complex. (Any sources about the topic welcome)
- filoleg 6y ago
  I think a more correct way to say it wouldn't be "because of Jewish people being rich", but "because of Jewish people being perceived as rich as a group". I don't think anyone in their right mind would try arguing that most jewish people in Germany at the time were rich, because that was definitely not the case at all.
- baybal2 6y ago
  Indeed, they weren't that reach at all, and they were on the forefront of the proletarian movement. But now we have all the benefit of the hindsight, and we cannot go back to thirties, and tell that to masses going crazy from destitution, and poverty.