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I'm confused by this video, what evidence is there that this is "allow[ing] the terrorists into the building"? All I see is law enforcement opening a gate. The

I'm confused by this video, what evidence is there that this is "allow[ing] the terrorists into the building"? All I see is law enforcement opening a gate. The Twitter account appears to be a random unverified person, so I can't rely on that either. Not saying the police response has been perfect, but this video doesn't say much about that.

bradlys 6y ago
> All I see is law enforcement opening a gate. That is literally letting them in. They didn't stand their position. They literally walked backwards and let the crowd in.
- croissants 6y ago
  "Allow[ing] the terrorists into the building" doesn't follow from a single shot of opening a gate. For all I know, law enforcement is funneling people away from a position that they recently decided should be cleared. I have no idea (and as far as I can tell, neither does anyone else here).
  - dj_mc_merlin 6y ago
    That shot is right in front of the building basically. The police opened barricades to let people even closer to the building. Unless the police has some sort of amazing 4D plan they are not letting us in on, which is not likely given the events of today, there is no strategic reason to clear that area. They're just letting the protestors in.
- wowowowow 6y ago
  The last few seconds very clearly shows more people already "let in" on the other side of the gate. More context is needed.
dillondoyle 6y ago
The biggest problem to me is twofold: - there were very very few law enforcement there beforehand. Compare to BLM where there were thousands of storm troopers, tanks, etc camped out before the similarly obviously publicized protests occurred. Here is a comparison photo of what they had in front of the monument before the LEGAL BLM protest this summer [1] - the 'resistance' was very weak at least at first. The videos of the 'storming' didn't show much resistance, no gas, no rubber bullets, no attempt to hold the line. here is a 'selfie' [2] which to be fair doesn't show cop actively participating, but does show him just standing there. There are some photos of guns drawn trying to protect the floor, obviously out numbered once they secured Members I understand completely retreating. But the main uniformed officers at the entrances didn't act. It's a stark difference. My story is that here in Denver I was gassed, before curfew, before an unlawful assembly was declared, during a peaceful protest this summer. They shot more than a few eyes out of their sockets with rubber bullets. A judge had to restrain the Denver police for their violence. Compare to today it took a LONG time for them to deploy these same weapons, and it doesn't even look like they used tear gas/irritants at least in the first videos, just smoke; unlike what they gassed us with and those in Lafayette Park and across the country. 1 https://s.abcnews.com/images/US/national-guard-lincoln-memorial-1-abc-200602_hpMain_16x9_992.jpg https://s.abcnews.com/images/US/national-guard-lincoln-memor... 2 https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1346920198461419520 https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1346920198461419520
- dillondoyle 6y ago
  this is old thread and I can't edit, but now that more info has come out for the record part #1 I don't believe anymore. The videos are shocking and disgusting. This was 1000% a failure from the top, there are lots of videos of these poor uniformed officers on the outer lines outnumbered 1000 / 1 with no gear, no tear gas or other riot weapons, fighting back but just getting trampled, shot with tear gas, hit with bat things, etc. It looks like instead of refusing to respond they didn't have the equipment to. While the many were brave, there are definitely still some sympathizers and participants for instance WaPo has quotes that there were off duty officers of the law flashing their badges to get in. i think good chance we'll see the evidence it was intentional negligence denying support/materials/gear and intentionally delaying a response on the part of Trump's DOJ etc. Send out the subpoenas, and interview this weekend -> vote Monday. these and so many more, but this focuses on the outer 'rings' https://twitter.com/ElijahSchaffer/status/1346966514990149639?s=20 https://twitter.com/ElijahSchaffer/status/134696651499014963... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJOgGsC0G9U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJOgGsC0G9U

bradlys 6y ago

> All I see is law enforcement opening a gate. That is literally letting them in. They didn't stand their position. They literally walked backwards and let the crowd in.

croissants 6y ago
"Allow[ing] the terrorists into the building" doesn't follow from a single shot of opening a gate. For all I know, law enforcement is funneling people away from a position that they recently decided should be cleared. I have no idea (and as far as I can tell, neither does anyone else here).
- dj_mc_merlin 6y ago
  That shot is right in front of the building basically. The police opened barricades to let people even closer to the building. Unless the police has some sort of amazing 4D plan they are not letting us in on, which is not likely given the events of today, there is no strategic reason to clear that area. They're just letting the protestors in.
wowowowow 6y ago
The last few seconds very clearly shows more people already "let in" on the other side of the gate. More context is needed.

dillondoyle 6y ago

The biggest problem to me is twofold: - there were very very few law enforcement there beforehand. Compare to BLM where there were thousands of storm troopers, tanks, etc camped out before the similarly obviously publicized protests occurred. Here is a comparison photo of what they had in front of the monument before the LEGAL BLM protest this summer [1] - the 'resistance' was very weak at least at first. The videos of the 'storming' didn't show much resistance, no gas, no rubber bullets, no attempt to hold the line. here is a 'selfie' [2] which to be fair doesn't show cop actively participating, but does show him just standing there. There are some photos of guns drawn trying to protect the floor, obviously out numbered once they secured Members I understand completely retreating. But the main uniformed officers at the entrances didn't act. It's a stark difference. My story is that here in Denver I was gassed, before curfew, before an unlawful assembly was declared, during a peaceful protest this summer. They shot more than a few eyes out of their sockets with rubber bullets. A judge had to restrain the Denver police for their violence. Compare to today it took a LONG time for them to deploy these same weapons, and it doesn't even look like they used tear gas/irritants at least in the first videos, just smoke; unlike what they gassed us with and those in Lafayette Park and across the country. 1 https://s.abcnews.com/images/US/national-guard-lincoln-memorial-1-abc-200602_hpMain_16x9_992.jpg https://s.abcnews.com/images/US/national-guard-lincoln-memor... 2 https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1346920198461419520 https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1346920198461419520

dillondoyle 6y ago
this is old thread and I can't edit, but now that more info has come out for the record part #1 I don't believe anymore. The videos are shocking and disgusting. This was 1000% a failure from the top, there are lots of videos of these poor uniformed officers on the outer lines outnumbered 1000 / 1 with no gear, no tear gas or other riot weapons, fighting back but just getting trampled, shot with tear gas, hit with bat things, etc. It looks like instead of refusing to respond they didn't have the equipment to. While the many were brave, there are definitely still some sympathizers and participants for instance WaPo has quotes that there were off duty officers of the law flashing their badges to get in. i think good chance we'll see the evidence it was intentional negligence denying support/materials/gear and intentionally delaying a response on the part of Trump's DOJ etc. Send out the subpoenas, and interview this weekend -> vote Monday. these and so many more, but this focuses on the outer 'rings' https://twitter.com/ElijahSchaffer/status/1346966514990149639?s=20 https://twitter.com/ElijahSchaffer/status/134696651499014963... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJOgGsC0G9U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJOgGsC0G9U