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It can be done in 30min if they want. Impeachment goes how congress wants it to, the only part of the process set in stone is the voting requirements. Edit: oh

It can be done in 30min if they want. Impeachment goes how congress wants it to, the only part of the process set in stone is the voting requirements. Edit: oh and the 25th amendment would allow trump to object and be effectively tried in the senate. That amendment is really designed more for “the president is in a coma” than for “the president is currently trying to overthrow the government”.

threatofrain 6y ago
If you rush impeachment, you will obliterate any productivity you sought for impeachment. The same is true for elections in that these aren't just procedural events, they are soul-defining events for a democracy, and the loss of credibility would be losing what matters most. Another Mueller would take forever to prepare a case for the American people.
- ashtonkem 6y ago
  The republic is at stake and armed rioters have broken into the capital. To let the president do this and do nothing is to give up more credibility. It is to admit that the legislature is incapable of even providing for its own physical security, let alone the needs of their constituents.
  - meragrin_ 6y ago
    I keep seeing "armed rioters" but have not seen any evidence. Could you point me to it?
    - jcranmer 6y ago
      I have heard reports of gunfire being exchanged through the door to the House: https://twitter.com/MEPFuller/status/1346905489561579532 https://twitter.com/MEPFuller/status/1346905489561579532. Surely that would qualify as "armed", and the "rioter" I would hope should be self-evident.
      - meragrin_ 6y ago
        The gunfire was probably of the unarmed woman getting shot and killed: https://twitter.com/ALQadiPAL/status/1346960691278848000 https://twitter.com/ALQadiPAL/status/1346960691278848000. Highly doubt that it was an armed protester shooting.
        yzmtf2008 6y ago
        > Highly doubt that it was an armed protester shooting. Did you get that from the same place that you got the idea that the election was stolen?
        meragrin_ 6y ago
        No, I got it from the evidence an unarmed woman was shot and killed while the faces at the door where the "shooting" by the "armed rioters" allegedly took place were unharmed. Where did you get the idea that I believe the election was stolen? From the comment where I said "Now if we get to day three of this crap with no signs of it letting up, the National Guard unable to control the situation, and Trump actively supporting them, definitely throw him out."?
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        eyelidlessness 6y ago
        > Highly doubt that it was an armed protester shooting. Seems more likely than an unarmed protestor shooting?
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    - cyberlurker 6y ago
      At least one gun was seized. https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/01/06/us/washington-dc-protests/police-in-washington-seize-5-guns-and-arrest-at-least-13-during-violent-capitol-protest https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/01/06/us/washington-dc-pro...
      - meragrin_ 6y ago
        If hundreds rioting and looting in multiple cities for multiple days for liberal causes only qualifies for "mostly peaceful protesters, this qualifies a "peaceful protesters" still.
        jkepler 6y ago
        Evidence, please. I lived in a major US city, have a friend there who's a senior-level libertarian cleaning state trooper, and he told me the protests he knew about personally were peaceful. Nor did I see violent rioters myself.
        newacct583 6y ago
        Where were the peaceful ones? BLM was a protest movement of something like 12M people, huge protests were covered extensively with no violence whatsoever. This was a mob that pushed down gates and forced entry into the capitol building. There was no "peaceful" component that I could see.
    - tomjakubowski 6y ago
      * Man pointing an AR-15: https://twitter.com/JasonRCharter/status/1346988230101528579 https://twitter.com/JasonRCharter/status/1346988230101528579 * Man carrying a Glock and zipties: https://twitter.com/JasonRCharter/status/1347030226845446144/photo/1 https://twitter.com/JasonRCharter/status/1347030226845446144...
      - meragrin_ 6y ago
        Man with AR-15 was police. Man carrying a Glock? I don't see anything resembling a gun except on his hat.
        ashtonkem 6y ago
        On his right hip, it’s incredibly clear.
- rocqua 6y ago
  Rushing impeachment makes sense if it is totally clear for all involved that impeachment needs to happen.
  - ashtonkem 6y ago
    Ideally it should be clear to everyone in Congress, yet...
- hinkley 6y ago
  From what I understand, impeachment can also bar an individual from public office again. I'm not clear on whether that means the vote could extend past January 20th and the end result is that it goes on his permanent record.

threatofrain 6y ago

If you rush impeachment, you will obliterate any productivity you sought for impeachment. The same is true for elections in that these aren't just procedural events, they are soul-defining events for a democracy, and the loss of credibility would be losing what matters most. Another Mueller would take forever to prepare a case for the American people.

ashtonkem 6y ago
The republic is at stake and armed rioters have broken into the capital. To let the president do this and do nothing is to give up more credibility. It is to admit that the legislature is incapable of even providing for its own physical security, let alone the needs of their constituents.
- meragrin_ 6y ago
  I keep seeing "armed rioters" but have not seen any evidence. Could you point me to it?
  - jcranmer 6y ago
    I have heard reports of gunfire being exchanged through the door to the House: https://twitter.com/MEPFuller/status/1346905489561579532 https://twitter.com/MEPFuller/status/1346905489561579532. Surely that would qualify as "armed", and the "rioter" I would hope should be self-evident.
    - meragrin_ 6y ago
      The gunfire was probably of the unarmed woman getting shot and killed: https://twitter.com/ALQadiPAL/status/1346960691278848000 https://twitter.com/ALQadiPAL/status/1346960691278848000. Highly doubt that it was an armed protester shooting.
      - yzmtf2008 6y ago
        > Highly doubt that it was an armed protester shooting. Did you get that from the same place that you got the idea that the election was stolen?
        meragrin_ 6y ago
        No, I got it from the evidence an unarmed woman was shot and killed while the faces at the door where the "shooting" by the "armed rioters" allegedly took place were unharmed. Where did you get the idea that I believe the election was stolen? From the comment where I said "Now if we get to day three of this crap with no signs of it letting up, the National Guard unable to control the situation, and Trump actively supporting them, definitely throw him out."?
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      - eyelidlessness 6y ago
        > Highly doubt that it was an armed protester shooting. Seems more likely than an unarmed protestor shooting?
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  - cyberlurker 6y ago
    At least one gun was seized. https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/01/06/us/washington-dc-protests/police-in-washington-seize-5-guns-and-arrest-at-least-13-during-violent-capitol-protest https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/01/06/us/washington-dc-pro...
    - meragrin_ 6y ago
      If hundreds rioting and looting in multiple cities for multiple days for liberal causes only qualifies for "mostly peaceful protesters, this qualifies a "peaceful protesters" still.
      - jkepler 6y ago
        Evidence, please. I lived in a major US city, have a friend there who's a senior-level libertarian cleaning state trooper, and he told me the protests he knew about personally were peaceful. Nor did I see violent rioters myself.
      - newacct583 6y ago
        Where were the peaceful ones? BLM was a protest movement of something like 12M people, huge protests were covered extensively with no violence whatsoever. This was a mob that pushed down gates and forced entry into the capitol building. There was no "peaceful" component that I could see.
  - tomjakubowski 6y ago
    * Man pointing an AR-15: https://twitter.com/JasonRCharter/status/1346988230101528579 https://twitter.com/JasonRCharter/status/1346988230101528579 * Man carrying a Glock and zipties: https://twitter.com/JasonRCharter/status/1347030226845446144/photo/1 https://twitter.com/JasonRCharter/status/1347030226845446144...
    - meragrin_ 6y ago
      Man with AR-15 was police. Man carrying a Glock? I don't see anything resembling a gun except on his hat.
      - ashtonkem 6y ago
        On his right hip, it’s incredibly clear.
rocqua 6y ago
Rushing impeachment makes sense if it is totally clear for all involved that impeachment needs to happen.
- ashtonkem 6y ago
  Ideally it should be clear to everyone in Congress, yet...
hinkley 6y ago
From what I understand, impeachment can also bar an individual from public office again. I'm not clear on whether that means the vote could extend past January 20th and the end result is that it goes on his permanent record.