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The stolen election claim is put forward by the President of the United States, not some random people with blogs.

ehsankia 6y ago
The president's own information diet is often fueled from said blogs though. These conspiracy theories definitely weren't given to him by some intelligence agency or election official, so where do you think he got them from? He regularly retweets and repeats talking points created in the deepest parts of the internet.
- chordalkeyboard 6y ago
  > These conspiracy theories definitely weren't given to him by some intelligence agency or election official Do you have a source for this comment? I'm pretty sure he heard about the allegations of fraud from actual purported witnesses who filed sworn affidavits. Those blogs that you're saying he gets the information from have hyperlinks to the documents filed by his legal team. I'm thinking the blogs got it from him, not the other way around.
  - ehsankia 6y ago
    > witnesses who filed sworn affidavits Which are not intelligence agencies nor election officials. Anyone can sign an affidavit, it's not some magical paper. If intelligence services or elections officials had found something, they would've announced it officially, instead they have announced the opposite. [0] [1] > I'm thinking the blogs got it from him, not the other way around. Trump is regularly retweeting information that has no other source or basis than theories created in the deep bowels of the internet. [2] (and hundreds more) [0] https://www.cisa.gov/news/2020/11/12/joint-statement-elections-infrastructure-government-coordinating-council-election https://www.cisa.gov/news/2020/11/12/joint-statement-electio... [1] https://www.cisa.gov/news/2020/11/12/joint-statement-elections-infrastructure-government-coordinating-council-election https://www.cisa.gov/news/2020/11/12/joint-statement-electio... [2] https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-la-ballots-idUSKBN27M236 https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-la-ballots-idUS...
    - chordalkeyboard 6y ago
      > Which are not intelligence agencies nor election officials. Anyone can sign an affidavit, it's not some magical paper. They are poll workers who claim (under penalty of perjury) to have witnessed illegal or election-tampering conduct. > Trump is regularly retweeting information that has no other source or basis than theories created in the deep bowels of the internet. Its presumptuous for you to pretend to know the sources available to POTUS. >> There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised. This from the guy who was fired because he continued to claim there was no evidence when people were presenting evidence of election tampering and begging the government to investigate before the evidence trail grew cold.
  - 8note 6y ago
    If you want to go specific, the blogs got it from Trump's team, then trump got it from the blogs, ignoring whatever his team told him directly
cmurf 6y ago
He said it multiple times this morning on The Ellipse, before he instructed his supporters to go to the capitol. He has tweeted today his displeasure at Mike Pence if he doesn't reject the Electoral College votes. And he has tweeted moments ago, yet again, that he won in a landslide and that he and his supporters have had the election win viciously stripped away from them. Whether it's delusional or some malicious intent to incite violence, I think doesn't even matter. He should be impeached, removed from office, and banned from ever holding office again. The priority must be, counting the state certified Electoral College votes, and certifying the result. Following that, Congress could impeach and remove Trump from office in half a day, if they want. Their normal speed is glacial, but that's institutional momentum. They can move very quickly, if they want to, they just usually don't want to.

The president's own information diet is often fueled from said blogs though. These conspiracy theories definitely weren't given to him by some intelligence agency or election official, so where do you think he got them from? He regularly retweets and repeats talking points created in the deepest parts of the internet.

chordalkeyboard 6y ago
> These conspiracy theories definitely weren't given to him by some intelligence agency or election official Do you have a source for this comment? I'm pretty sure he heard about the allegations of fraud from actual purported witnesses who filed sworn affidavits. Those blogs that you're saying he gets the information from have hyperlinks to the documents filed by his legal team. I'm thinking the blogs got it from him, not the other way around.
- ehsankia 6y ago
  > witnesses who filed sworn affidavits Which are not intelligence agencies nor election officials. Anyone can sign an affidavit, it's not some magical paper. If intelligence services or elections officials had found something, they would've announced it officially, instead they have announced the opposite. [0] [1] > I'm thinking the blogs got it from him, not the other way around. Trump is regularly retweeting information that has no other source or basis than theories created in the deep bowels of the internet. [2] (and hundreds more) [0] https://www.cisa.gov/news/2020/11/12/joint-statement-elections-infrastructure-government-coordinating-council-election https://www.cisa.gov/news/2020/11/12/joint-statement-electio... [1] https://www.cisa.gov/news/2020/11/12/joint-statement-elections-infrastructure-government-coordinating-council-election https://www.cisa.gov/news/2020/11/12/joint-statement-electio... [2] https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-la-ballots-idUSKBN27M236 https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-la-ballots-idUS...
  - chordalkeyboard 6y ago
    > Which are not intelligence agencies nor election officials. Anyone can sign an affidavit, it's not some magical paper. They are poll workers who claim (under penalty of perjury) to have witnessed illegal or election-tampering conduct. > Trump is regularly retweeting information that has no other source or basis than theories created in the deep bowels of the internet. Its presumptuous for you to pretend to know the sources available to POTUS. >> There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised. This from the guy who was fired because he continued to claim there was no evidence when people were presenting evidence of election tampering and begging the government to investigate before the evidence trail grew cold.
- 8note 6y ago
  If you want to go specific, the blogs got it from Trump's team, then trump got it from the blogs, ignoring whatever his team told him directly

cmurf 6y ago

He said it multiple times this morning on The Ellipse, before he instructed his supporters to go to the capitol. He has tweeted today his displeasure at Mike Pence if he doesn't reject the Electoral College votes. And he has tweeted moments ago, yet again, that he won in a landslide and that he and his supporters have had the election win viciously stripped away from them. Whether it's delusional or some malicious intent to incite violence, I think doesn't even matter. He should be impeached, removed from office, and banned from ever holding office again. The priority must be, counting the state certified Electoral College votes, and certifying the result. Following that, Congress could impeach and remove Trump from office in half a day, if they want. Their normal speed is glacial, but that's institutional momentum. They can move very quickly, if they want to, they just usually don't want to.