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Coming out and saying that you think the election stolen gets you labeled a conservative nutter. So wise commenters won't say that, instead they will do what y
by x86_64Ubuntu 6y ago
Coming out and saying that you think the election stolen gets you labeled a conservative nutter. So wise commenters won't say that, instead they will do what you've noted. Imply that folks are saying the election was perfect, and then say that they think there might have been some "imperfections" going on.
That way the listener doesn't automatically correctly categorized their point of view as nuttery, but is drawn into listening longer out of decorum. And the speaker doesn't suffer a loss of reasonableness for "wanting the truth".
- xpe 6y agoYes, this is part of a known playbook for people who want to seem credible while stoking fear, uncertainty, and doubt.
- tstrimple 6y agoMany people say so.
- xpe 6y agoYour comment is very brief and ambiguous to me. Can you elaborate please? Are you saying you agree or disagree with my statement?
- tstrimple 6y agoSorry, I could have been more clear. It's another Trumpism. He's not saying these crazy things, but he's heard it from many other people. It's another way to promote conspiracy theories with plausible deniability. For example: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/762781826549030912 https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/76278182654903091...
- xpe 6y agoI'm torn. On one hand, I wish I got the joke sooner, because I needed a laugh today. On the other, I'm glad I missed the context that would have made the joke clear. Overall, I'm thankful I can read HN comments without hearing Trump's voice reading the words.
- xpe 6y agoDoes this mean we're not going to discuss the 'appeal to popularity' fallacy that is associated with "Many people say so..."? :P
- xpe 6y agoBy playbook, I mean this is a subtler version of the straw man fallacy.
- salawat 6y agoWhat you state about "wise people framing things a particular way" being part of a known playbook for spreading Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt, is also a well known tactic for dismissing the concerns of genuinely concerned, yet inconveniently numerous people. Not that it matters, but if you're going to try to call someone out or discredit them, try not to in the same stroke do the same thing.
- x86_64Ubuntu 6y agoTheir concerns are illegitimate and are only used to attempt to overturn the election. We are under no obligation to humor their concern trolling.
- xpe 6y agoI had to look it up: concern trolling: the action or practice of disingenuously expressing concern about an issue in order to undermine or derail genuine discussion. (from Oxford Languages via Google)
- xpe 6y ago> What you state about "wise people framing things a particular way" being part of a known playbook ... You used quotes, but what you quoted is not a quote from me, nor anyone earlier in the thread. Also, I didn't write "wise".
- xpe 6y ago> is also a well known tactic for dismissing the concerns of genuinely concerned, yet inconveniently numerous people. Yes. This rhetoric can be used for all kinds of purposes, whether well-intentioned, altruistic, noble or selfish, corrupt, deceitful and so on.
- xpe 6y ago> "Not that it matters..." It seems to me this phrase fits the bill for a "thought-terminating cliché". [1] Do you agree? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought-terminating_cliché https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought-terminating_cliché