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> SolarWinds confirmed Wednesday that it used TeamCity software to assist with the development of its software and was investigating the software as part of its

by foepys 6y ago

> SolarWinds confirmed Wednesday that it used TeamCity software to assist with the development of its software and was investigating the software as part of its investigation. The company said it had yet to confirm a definitive link between JetBrains and the breach and compromise of its own software. This is a very big "may". Reads like they are simply basing these allegations on the Russian founders part.

swyx 6y ago
it is unbelievable the irresponsibility of the NYT to not provide more substantive evidence before going to print with this "may be", particularly with this title. The reputational hit alone will cost Jetbrains millions including across unrelated products (which they encourage by fluffing out this piece with Jetbrains' customer list without regard as to whether or not they use TeamCity).
- Ericson2314 6y ago
  Serves Jetbrains right for being privately held and not an investment vehicle open to global capital. /s
- keraf 6y ago
  Most people familiar with JetBrains (like software and system engineers) will likely read through the lines and simply ignore this article, given the good reputation of the company. The worrying part is that this type of article is destined for the less techy reader like the higher ups approving software purchases. The lack of evidence feels like they got fingers pointed at them just for being... Russian?
  - andoriyu 6y ago
    Would people who make decisions to use JetBrains products be smart enough to even read beyond title?
- diebeforei485 6y ago
  WSJ is also saying that investigators are looking into JetBrains and TeamCity in particular. It's not just NYT. They may not have formally asked JetBrains for assistance with their investigation yet, but that doesn't mean they aren't being investigated.
- pxtail 6y ago
  Not that much surprising at all, Bloomberg with their "Chinese chip" story already proved that hit piece which will bring many eyeballs can be published by big "trustworthy" newspaper without basically any evidence and without significant consequences if evidence will never appear.
  - swyx 6y ago
    I still think Bloomberg should be sued for that. if due process finds that they had justifiable basis at the time, then fine. but if not this is grounds for libel. we can't have our top publications running around randomly throwing out accusations with zero consequences. freedom of the press is important to me, but they also need to hold up their end of the bargain and have integrity and responsibility for their platform.
    - dumpsterdiver 6y ago
      Agreed. Freedom of speech is very important to me, but I believe there's a big difference between an indivual speaking from their heart, and a corporation spewing nonsense. Edit: To be clear, I don't think the solution is to silence an entity's publications. They do have the right to speak, but when they make unfounded accusations they shouldn't be surprised when they get sued to kindom come. We all have the right to speak, but the rest of us also have the right to defend ourselves and kick your fucking ass if you've misrepresented us with your speech in a public way, because that's libel.
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by foepys 6y ago

swyx 6y ago

it is unbelievable the irresponsibility of the NYT to not provide more substantive evidence before going to print with this "may be", particularly with this title. The reputational hit alone will cost Jetbrains millions including across unrelated products (which they encourage by fluffing out this piece with Jetbrains' customer list without regard as to whether or not they use TeamCity).

Ericson2314 6y ago
Serves Jetbrains right for being privately held and not an investment vehicle open to global capital. /s
keraf 6y ago
Most people familiar with JetBrains (like software and system engineers) will likely read through the lines and simply ignore this article, given the good reputation of the company. The worrying part is that this type of article is destined for the less techy reader like the higher ups approving software purchases. The lack of evidence feels like they got fingers pointed at them just for being... Russian?
- andoriyu 6y ago
  Would people who make decisions to use JetBrains products be smart enough to even read beyond title?
diebeforei485 6y ago
WSJ is also saying that investigators are looking into JetBrains and TeamCity in particular. It's not just NYT. They may not have formally asked JetBrains for assistance with their investigation yet, but that doesn't mean they aren't being investigated.
pxtail 6y ago
Not that much surprising at all, Bloomberg with their "Chinese chip" story already proved that hit piece which will bring many eyeballs can be published by big "trustworthy" newspaper without basically any evidence and without significant consequences if evidence will never appear.
- swyx 6y ago
  I still think Bloomberg should be sued for that. if due process finds that they had justifiable basis at the time, then fine. but if not this is grounds for libel. we can't have our top publications running around randomly throwing out accusations with zero consequences. freedom of the press is important to me, but they also need to hold up their end of the bargain and have integrity and responsibility for their platform.
  - dumpsterdiver 6y ago
    Agreed. Freedom of speech is very important to me, but I believe there's a big difference between an indivual speaking from their heart, and a corporation spewing nonsense. Edit: To be clear, I don't think the solution is to silence an entity's publications. They do have the right to speak, but when they make unfounded accusations they shouldn't be surprised when they get sued to kindom come. We all have the right to speak, but the rest of us also have the right to defend ourselves and kick your fucking ass if you've misrepresented us with your speech in a public way, because that's libel.
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