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> 2. Having access to a diverse information diet I am fully for it, but I believe the ones who need to change the informational diet are not ones who you think

> 2. Having access to a diverse information diet I am fully for it, but I believe the ones who need to change the informational diet are not ones who you think they need. If today's events make any surprise to HN readers. I will tell them they spent not last 4 years, but like 20 years under a rock, and have no idea whatsoever what moves the political pendulum to the right with such force. And they don't want to hear why it is so. Here on HN, 3 years ago I said that US is inching ever closer to the second civil war, and the point of no returns gets gets more, and more visible. Then, I was told that such talks are not welcome on HN, and it's below the esteemed patrons of our establishment to think of such lowly matters. Voila, sealed ears, what they lead to. Not only on HN, but across the elites of entire Western world.

taurath 6y ago
But you can’t listen to them now. Any underlying reasonable argument, policy or beliefs are now turned into monsters after they’ve turned all their opposition into monsters. They’ve become everything they claim to be protecting against. They must be fought before they can be heard.
JKCalhoun 6y ago
The last U.S. civil war had the politicians from the southern states seceding. Is that what you were predicting 3 years ago, still predicting? Because all I see are rioting by people who have lost any upward mobility they might have once had. They'll be burning Teslas next but that doesn't make it a civil war.
- baybal2 6y ago
  > Is that what you were predicting 3 years ago, still predicting? What is the biggest social crisis there now, for every opportunistic force to take advantage off? One need to be very, very blind not to see it coming, especially living in a major US city.
  - andromeduck 6y ago
    Gun control or land use causing inequality and social calcification?
    - JKCalhoun 6y ago
      I think s/he might be referring to COVID but it is pretty unclear.
      - baybal2 6y ago
        COVID epidemic is not a social crisis, but you certainly can spin it as one.
  - JKCalhoun 6y ago
    I still don't see how you are connecting the dots. A lot more needs to be in place for civil war. Pretty sure the monied interests have no desire for civil war — the opposite was the case in the mid 19th Century.
    - baybal2 6y ago
      > A lot more needs to be in place for civil war. True, really a lot. In needs a nation on the edge for it to decide to turn on itself. And a nation on the edge it is. > Pretty sure the monied interests have no desire for civil war — the opposite was the case in the mid 19th Century. And so thought monied interests of the Old World when a wave of civil wars sped through the continent, and the Spring of Nations happened after few decades of turmoil. And historians err here, taking desirable, for believable. "The Two Terrible Decades," aren't called that for nothing. They were devastating for both of Europe's Old, and New Money. It were the same upper classes socialites who wrote the term in the history books after all.
      - rootusrootus 6y ago
        > In needs a nation on the edge for it to decide to turn on itself It would help if there were some geographical lines, as well. Are you envisioning the next civil war will be simultaneous sieges of all the major cities in the US?
- taurath 6y ago
  They're gonna have to link up with the left to go burning teslas, but instead they'll fight the other people without upward mobility.
- cmorgan31 6y ago
  You had rioting people who lost any upward mobility at exactly the same time the sitting Vice President and Congress were explicitly voting on the certification of the result of the election. They were backed by 150+ Politicians who were going to refuse to certify their results. These rioting people then committed several felonies of much greater legal concern than anything in the BLM protests and subsequent rioting.
  - xienze 6y ago
    > These rioting people then committed several felonies of much greater legal concern than anything in the BLM protests and subsequent rioting. Come again? The BLM riots went on for months, multiple people died, a section of a major city was occupied for weeks (two people murdered by the self appointed security force), a police precinct was burned down (as well as many building in several cities), etc. And you’re talking about the the grave felonies involved in a single day of occupying a public building...
    - xienze 6y ago
      To the downvoters... tell me where I’m wrong. The reaction to what I’ve said kind of highlights the “two groups living in separate realities” discussion here. There is much pearl clutching today about occupation of a public building, somehow placing the mayhem caused on a level far above months of rioting, looting, and dead bodies.
    - cmorgan31 6y ago
      You are downplaying this event which is natural considering it's literally the worst look possible but the reality of the BLM protests in DC which turned violent is in no way comparable to what we've seen today in broad daylight. You want to rush the capitol building with a mob during the certification of our next sitting President? This isn't a gas station in Wisconsin. It isn't a sound idea regardless of your politics. I'm honestly surprised they weren't squashed by police sooner.
- TeMPOraL 6y ago
  > Because all I see are rioting by people who have lost any upward mobility they might have once had. Isn't this what ultimately fuels all civil wars?

taurath 6y ago

But you can’t listen to them now. Any underlying reasonable argument, policy or beliefs are now turned into monsters after they’ve turned all their opposition into monsters. They’ve become everything they claim to be protecting against. They must be fought before they can be heard.

JKCalhoun 6y ago

The last U.S. civil war had the politicians from the southern states seceding. Is that what you were predicting 3 years ago, still predicting? Because all I see are rioting by people who have lost any upward mobility they might have once had. They'll be burning Teslas next but that doesn't make it a civil war.

baybal2 6y ago
> Is that what you were predicting 3 years ago, still predicting? What is the biggest social crisis there now, for every opportunistic force to take advantage off? One need to be very, very blind not to see it coming, especially living in a major US city.
- andromeduck 6y ago
  Gun control or land use causing inequality and social calcification?
  - JKCalhoun 6y ago
    I think s/he might be referring to COVID but it is pretty unclear.
    - baybal2 6y ago
      COVID epidemic is not a social crisis, but you certainly can spin it as one.
- JKCalhoun 6y ago
  I still don't see how you are connecting the dots. A lot more needs to be in place for civil war. Pretty sure the monied interests have no desire for civil war — the opposite was the case in the mid 19th Century.
  - baybal2 6y ago
    > A lot more needs to be in place for civil war. True, really a lot. In needs a nation on the edge for it to decide to turn on itself. And a nation on the edge it is. > Pretty sure the monied interests have no desire for civil war — the opposite was the case in the mid 19th Century. And so thought monied interests of the Old World when a wave of civil wars sped through the continent, and the Spring of Nations happened after few decades of turmoil. And historians err here, taking desirable, for believable. "The Two Terrible Decades," aren't called that for nothing. They were devastating for both of Europe's Old, and New Money. It were the same upper classes socialites who wrote the term in the history books after all.
    - rootusrootus 6y ago
      > In needs a nation on the edge for it to decide to turn on itself It would help if there were some geographical lines, as well. Are you envisioning the next civil war will be simultaneous sieges of all the major cities in the US?
taurath 6y ago
They're gonna have to link up with the left to go burning teslas, but instead they'll fight the other people without upward mobility.
cmorgan31 6y ago
You had rioting people who lost any upward mobility at exactly the same time the sitting Vice President and Congress were explicitly voting on the certification of the result of the election. They were backed by 150+ Politicians who were going to refuse to certify their results. These rioting people then committed several felonies of much greater legal concern than anything in the BLM protests and subsequent rioting.
- xienze 6y ago
  > These rioting people then committed several felonies of much greater legal concern than anything in the BLM protests and subsequent rioting. Come again? The BLM riots went on for months, multiple people died, a section of a major city was occupied for weeks (two people murdered by the self appointed security force), a police precinct was burned down (as well as many building in several cities), etc. And you’re talking about the the grave felonies involved in a single day of occupying a public building...
  - xienze 6y ago
    To the downvoters... tell me where I’m wrong. The reaction to what I’ve said kind of highlights the “two groups living in separate realities” discussion here. There is much pearl clutching today about occupation of a public building, somehow placing the mayhem caused on a level far above months of rioting, looting, and dead bodies.
  - cmorgan31 6y ago
    You are downplaying this event which is natural considering it's literally the worst look possible but the reality of the BLM protests in DC which turned violent is in no way comparable to what we've seen today in broad daylight. You want to rush the capitol building with a mob during the certification of our next sitting President? This isn't a gas station in Wisconsin. It isn't a sound idea regardless of your politics. I'm honestly surprised they weren't squashed by police sooner.
TeMPOraL 6y ago
> Because all I see are rioting by people who have lost any upward mobility they might have once had. Isn't this what ultimately fuels all civil wars?