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Is there ANY credible evidence of fraud, anywhere? Or are people protesting solely because they trust Trump?

pibechorro 6y ago
There is very suspect video evidence of hidden away votes being snuck in once the room was cleared and those votes pushed Biden on top after Trump was winning. There is also iffy statistical data on the numbers of votes.
- selimthegrim 6y ago
  Have there been any Benford’s Law studies? Post them!
Rapzid 6y ago
Appeal to authority, what higher authority than the POTUS? For weeks people have been telling Trump and his enablers they were playing with fire. Well..
f430 6y ago
There definitely appears to be people on camera admitting to committing a serious felony: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txXfT2nLJ-w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txXfT2nLJ-w I don't think this is a Trump/Biden issue like it has been made out to be. If there are claims of election fraud, then let's see the evidence and release the audit of Dominion voting machines which many people laid down their professional lives to back the claims of election fraud.
- isbadawi 6y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Veritas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Veritas Just fyi, Project Veritas has a decade-long track record of intentionally putting out misinformation.
  - f430 6y ago
    Which has nothing to do with the content of the video where the person is seen admitting to essentially have committed election fraud by allowing thousands of people without a fixed home address to vote with a false one.
    - deleted 6y ago
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    - 8note 6y ago
      As long as they only voted once, I don't see the problem. People without addresses still have the right to vote
      - f430 6y ago
        People without fixed residential addresses or homes voted using false addresses. There is no middle ground here, the law is explicitly binary. Either you committed voter fraud or you didn't, the criteria is very clear and unambigous
- aigen001 6y ago
  Project Veritas should not be treated as a credible source. The Georgia election official has debunked these claims. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEYvOTvqlFs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEYvOTvqlFs
  - f430 6y ago
    Did you even watch the video? Do you not see the person admitting to committing a felony and allowing people without a fixed address to vote? I feel like this is really dangerous, when we begin rejecting video evidence of the perpetrator admitting their crimes because other mainstream media labels it as "fake news". Reminds me of the 1984 and Ministry of Truth
    - aigen001 6y ago
      I watched the 40 second clip of a man chase another man with a microphone. Then a person who works at a homeless shelter says people used the homeless shelter as an address to vote. He alleges some of the people who registered their address to the homeless shelter are dead. At no point does Adam Seeley allege that those dead people voted or were counted in the final vote. Have you watched the Georgia voting systems manager, Gabriel Sterling, debunk the fraudulent claims of voter fraud?
    - joshuamorton 6y ago
      Georgia law doesn't require having a fixed address to vote. You need to maintain GA residence. The full text of the relevant statute is here[0]. Note section 15b. The form requires an address for contact and precinct information. People without a permanent address can use a common place of residence (where they can receive mail), such as a shelter, or if they don't have one of those, they can register in the park they sleep in [1]. Ultimately, it is up to the district registrar to determine if the residency is legitimate, but this is decided not based on the existence of a conventional fixed address, but based on the demonstrated intent to reside in the state (and more specifically the municipality). [0]: https://law.justia.com/codes/georgia/2010/title-21/chapter-2/article-6/21-2-217/ https://law.justia.com/codes/georgia/2010/title-21/chapter-2... [1]: https://faq.georgiavoter.guide/en/article/how-to-register-to-vote-if-you-experience-homelessness https://faq.georgiavoter.guide/en/article/how-to-register-to...
kyrra 6y ago
Every election has fraud, and this one was no different. It's just a matter of the scale of fraud. From all evidence thus-far, this election is not all that different than past elections when it comes to voter fraud. There was more chance for fraud (due to more mail-in voting), but no one has been able to prove it was large enough to impact any election result. So yes, Trump has been riling up his base with words of stolen election, which has led to this moment.
- rorykoehler 6y ago
  The fraud was the black voter suppression.
- standardUser 6y ago
  The only serious problems we can see from the 2020 election, aside from the normal voter suppression that has long been common in many states, was the deliberate hobbling of the USPS by a Trump appointee and donor that results in an untold number of ballots not being counted that would have been counted had the USPS been operating at it's normal efficiency.
ksk 6y ago
Saying there was absolutely zero fraud in this election is inaccurate, but saying the election was "stolen" is inaccurate as well. Every election has irregularities - most of it is people making honest mistakes on forms. As is typical, it is fairly minor in this election as well. Big picture - there are problems with electronic voting that have been researched into by many academics. I believe we must insist that the source code to all voting systems to be made public.
vancan1ty 6y ago
https://hereistheevidence.com/ https://hereistheevidence.com/ presents some evidences, up to reader to decide if credible/substantial or not
- mhh__ 6y ago
  Do we know who runs that site? It could be accidental but it looks like a very low information way to barrage one's opponents and avoid specific criticism
- alasdair_ 6y ago
  Have you found anything credible? All I can find with random clicks are lots of very long youtube videos that don't ever seem to get to the point and links to voting laws in particular states without any context. It gives the impression of there being plenty of evidence, but non of the items I looked at actually upheld what they claim.
meepmorp 6y ago
Without hyperbole, this is textbook fascism.
- mhh__ 6y ago
  "Orange man bad" has not aged well. This has to be one of not many times in politics where someone has been worse than even his own opponents could dream. History will not look kindly on people who turned a blind eye.
  - asdfasgasdgasdg 6y ago
    Well, a number of Trump's opponents did think we'd be living in a fascist dictatorship inside of a year after he was elected. That didn't happen. This is very, very bad, worse than I expected, but plenty of people on Twitter expected the imminent end of the United States as a free society.
    - jacquesm 6y ago
      Not for lack of trying.
      - asdfasgasdgasdg 6y ago
        I don't deny that. He has been a terrible president, one of the worst we've seen and certainly the worst on domestic policy in my lifetime. His ambitions -- addled and confused though they are -- reflect the worst impulses of this country.
- MrRiddle 6y ago
  Fascist Trump can't even get anyone from attacking him publicly whatsoever. You really like to use that word, but are clueless and careless.
Raphmedia 6y ago
Conspiracy theory extremism slowly turning into domestic terrorism. It's not a matter of what is real or what isn't. It's a matter of bullying the rest of the population to accept their beliefs as the truth. https://www.hstoday.us/subject-matter-areas/infrastructure-security/5-terrorism-trends-to-watch-in-2021/ https://www.hstoday.us/subject-matter-areas/infrastructure-s...
0xB31B1B 6y ago
no, there is no credible evidence of fraud, this is a fascist brown shirt style coup

There is very suspect video evidence of hidden away votes being snuck in once the room was cleared and those votes pushed Biden on top after Trump was winning. There is also iffy statistical data on the numbers of votes.

selimthegrim 6y ago
Have there been any Benford’s Law studies? Post them!

Rapzid 6y ago

Appeal to authority, what higher authority than the POTUS? For weeks people have been telling Trump and his enablers they were playing with fire. Well..

f430 6y ago

There definitely appears to be people on camera admitting to committing a serious felony: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txXfT2nLJ-w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txXfT2nLJ-w I don't think this is a Trump/Biden issue like it has been made out to be. If there are claims of election fraud, then let's see the evidence and release the audit of Dominion voting machines which many people laid down their professional lives to back the claims of election fraud.

isbadawi 6y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Veritas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Veritas Just fyi, Project Veritas has a decade-long track record of intentionally putting out misinformation.
- f430 6y ago
  Which has nothing to do with the content of the video where the person is seen admitting to essentially have committed election fraud by allowing thousands of people without a fixed home address to vote with a false one.
  - deleted 6y ago
    [deleted]
  - 8note 6y ago
    As long as they only voted once, I don't see the problem. People without addresses still have the right to vote
    - f430 6y ago
      People without fixed residential addresses or homes voted using false addresses. There is no middle ground here, the law is explicitly binary. Either you committed voter fraud or you didn't, the criteria is very clear and unambigous
aigen001 6y ago
Project Veritas should not be treated as a credible source. The Georgia election official has debunked these claims. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEYvOTvqlFs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEYvOTvqlFs
- f430 6y ago
  Did you even watch the video? Do you not see the person admitting to committing a felony and allowing people without a fixed address to vote? I feel like this is really dangerous, when we begin rejecting video evidence of the perpetrator admitting their crimes because other mainstream media labels it as "fake news". Reminds me of the 1984 and Ministry of Truth
  - aigen001 6y ago
    I watched the 40 second clip of a man chase another man with a microphone. Then a person who works at a homeless shelter says people used the homeless shelter as an address to vote. He alleges some of the people who registered their address to the homeless shelter are dead. At no point does Adam Seeley allege that those dead people voted or were counted in the final vote. Have you watched the Georgia voting systems manager, Gabriel Sterling, debunk the fraudulent claims of voter fraud?
  - joshuamorton 6y ago
    Georgia law doesn't require having a fixed address to vote. You need to maintain GA residence. The full text of the relevant statute is here[0]. Note section 15b. The form requires an address for contact and precinct information. People without a permanent address can use a common place of residence (where they can receive mail), such as a shelter, or if they don't have one of those, they can register in the park they sleep in [1]. Ultimately, it is up to the district registrar to determine if the residency is legitimate, but this is decided not based on the existence of a conventional fixed address, but based on the demonstrated intent to reside in the state (and more specifically the municipality). [0]: https://law.justia.com/codes/georgia/2010/title-21/chapter-2/article-6/21-2-217/ https://law.justia.com/codes/georgia/2010/title-21/chapter-2... [1]: https://faq.georgiavoter.guide/en/article/how-to-register-to-vote-if-you-experience-homelessness https://faq.georgiavoter.guide/en/article/how-to-register-to...

kyrra 6y ago

Every election has fraud, and this one was no different. It's just a matter of the scale of fraud. From all evidence thus-far, this election is not all that different than past elections when it comes to voter fraud. There was more chance for fraud (due to more mail-in voting), but no one has been able to prove it was large enough to impact any election result. So yes, Trump has been riling up his base with words of stolen election, which has led to this moment.

rorykoehler 6y ago
The fraud was the black voter suppression.
standardUser 6y ago
The only serious problems we can see from the 2020 election, aside from the normal voter suppression that has long been common in many states, was the deliberate hobbling of the USPS by a Trump appointee and donor that results in an untold number of ballots not being counted that would have been counted had the USPS been operating at it's normal efficiency.

ksk 6y ago

Saying there was absolutely zero fraud in this election is inaccurate, but saying the election was "stolen" is inaccurate as well. Every election has irregularities - most of it is people making honest mistakes on forms. As is typical, it is fairly minor in this election as well. Big picture - there are problems with electronic voting that have been researched into by many academics. I believe we must insist that the source code to all voting systems to be made public.

vancan1ty 6y ago

https://hereistheevidence.com/ https://hereistheevidence.com/ presents some evidences, up to reader to decide if credible/substantial or not

mhh__ 6y ago
Do we know who runs that site? It could be accidental but it looks like a very low information way to barrage one's opponents and avoid specific criticism
alasdair_ 6y ago
Have you found anything credible? All I can find with random clicks are lots of very long youtube videos that don't ever seem to get to the point and links to voting laws in particular states without any context. It gives the impression of there being plenty of evidence, but non of the items I looked at actually upheld what they claim.

meepmorp 6y ago

Without hyperbole, this is textbook fascism.

mhh__ 6y ago
"Orange man bad" has not aged well. This has to be one of not many times in politics where someone has been worse than even his own opponents could dream. History will not look kindly on people who turned a blind eye.
- asdfasgasdgasdg 6y ago
  Well, a number of Trump's opponents did think we'd be living in a fascist dictatorship inside of a year after he was elected. That didn't happen. This is very, very bad, worse than I expected, but plenty of people on Twitter expected the imminent end of the United States as a free society.
  - jacquesm 6y ago
    Not for lack of trying.
    - asdfasgasdgasdg 6y ago
      I don't deny that. He has been a terrible president, one of the worst we've seen and certainly the worst on domestic policy in my lifetime. His ambitions -- addled and confused though they are -- reflect the worst impulses of this country.
MrRiddle 6y ago
Fascist Trump can't even get anyone from attacking him publicly whatsoever. You really like to use that word, but are clueless and careless.

Raphmedia 6y ago

Conspiracy theory extremism slowly turning into domestic terrorism. It's not a matter of what is real or what isn't. It's a matter of bullying the rest of the population to accept their beliefs as the truth. https://www.hstoday.us/subject-matter-areas/infrastructure-security/5-terrorism-trends-to-watch-in-2021/ https://www.hstoday.us/subject-matter-areas/infrastructure-s...

0xB31B1B 6y ago

no, there is no credible evidence of fraud, this is a fascist brown shirt style coup