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> they insist Chinese law is used outside China They're touchy about people recognizing what they view as separatist movements, but that's relatively minor com

> they insist Chinese law is used outside China They're touchy about people recognizing what they view as separatist movements, but that's relatively minor compared to, say, the United States forcing its sanctions policy on the rest of the world. Everyone around the world is afraid of doing business with Cuba, Iran, Huawei, and other targets of US sanctions, because the US aggressively applies secondary sanctions. The US is even sanctioning Germany, its own ally, in order to try to force Germany to back out of a pipeline deal with Russia. > the Chinese language has no word for mutuality There are many ways to say "win-win" in Chinese, and if you ever listen to Chinese diplomats, they say that phrase incessantly. > China doesn't even formally frown at corruption; One of Xi Jinping's most highly publicized policies (inside China) is his anti-corruption campaign. This is practically his signature policy. You can argue the policy isn't in effective or isn't sincere, but to say that corruption isn't formally frowned upon us just wrong. > WHO scientists investigating covid19 recently not permitted into China; China hasn't processed their visas quickly. I'd wait a bit before passing judgment.

mainstreemm 6y ago
>One of Xi Jinping's most highly publicized policies (inside China) is his anti-corruption campaign. This is practically his signature policy. You can argue the policy isn't in effective or isn't sincere, but to say that corruption isn't formally frowned upon us just wrong. No, sorry, saying that it isn't sincere IS the same as saying corruption isn't formally frowned upon. And "anti-corruption" is the euphemism used by many authoritarian regimes to remove political opponents, which I'm sure is what is really happening under Dictator Pooh-Bear.
b0rsuk 6y ago
Ever heard that Taiwan is doing a stellar job holding off coronavirus? No, because China presses WHO into not mentioning Taiwan. We could learn a lot from Taiwan. China doesn't just boycott Taiwan, it makes others act as if the country doesn't exist. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/taiwan https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/taiwan
- DiogenesKynikos 6y ago
  There's a frozen civil war in China. The government is obviously touchy about other countries recognizing what it views as a breakaway province. China views such recognition as meddling in its internal affairs. In Western news coverage, though, I see precisely the opposite of what you see. Taiwan is often listed as an example to follow, while China's combating of the epidemic is largely ignored. A lot of people even seem to think that the epidemic is still raging in China, but that it's all just being covered up.
  - threeseed 6y ago
    a) It's not Western news coverage but international. b) No one believes anything China has to say because they have a history of coverups and suppression. c) The lack of an independent press or judiciary means we don't have mechanisms to independently assess the truth.
    - DiogenesKynikos 6y ago
      It's not actually difficult to know what the basic situation is in China right now. Go on YouTube Twitter, or any other large social media platform and look at what people who are currently in China are saying. Even in this thread, I'm sure that some of the commenters are in China. You can also look coverage by Western press in China. A German-French public broadcaster did a report from Wuhan not too long ago that shows how different the situation is there from Europe and the US: [1,2]. By the way, documents from Hubei province have leaked, and the number of people testing positive for SARS-CoV-2 in internal government records roughly matches the numbers that were published each day. 1. German: https://youtu.be/LmsI7lc2_Vg https://youtu.be/LmsI7lc2_Vg 2. French: https://youtu.be/OyHt7-KmK7Y https://youtu.be/OyHt7-KmK7Y
      - jjcc 6y ago
        Since you mention YouTube, I quickly compile a list of Westerners who have lived some time in China, i.e. not tourists. To help people make decision if they are brainwashed. But usually "Brainwash" means brainwashed people can not find they are brainwashed. List A: These 2 guys are thinkers then others. They should be working on different job. Expecially in Western intellegence to help westener better undrestading China) 1. Cyrus Janssen(American) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxEQsjgRRfGWiJJu_PDygxw https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxEQsjgRRfGWiJJu_PDygxw 2. Daniel Dumbrill(Canadian) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6Bl8MTbW9M9MQoPhxbarpw https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6Bl8MTbW9M9MQoPhxbarpw List B: (Positive) 3 Matt (American) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Ykci4MKSSdTJYuYp53G7A https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Ykci4MKSSdTJYuYp53G7A 4 Gweilo 60 (Canadian. Mainly positive. He also talked about negative side) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UChXOhG9bRDb3vSTg-qkPAZg https://www.youtube.com/channel/UChXOhG9bRDb3vSTg-qkPAZg 5 Jason(British) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzDE2LGSmJnw53WrZ7mM_Aw https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzDE2LGSmJnw53WrZ7mM_Aw 6 Nathan Rish(American. Seem a little opinionted) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCaSlyjhR4WC7QhYuaivxb6g https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCaSlyjhR4WC7QhYuaivxb6g List C: (Negative, but was positive) 7 serpentza (South African, the oldest vlogger about China) https://www.youtube.com/user/serpentza https://www.youtube.com/user/serpentza 8 laowhy86 (American) https://www.youtube.com/user/laowhy86 https://www.youtube.com/user/laowhy86 (edit) reformat
esbranson 6y ago
> The US is even sanctioning Germany The US has not sanctioned Germany. E.g. a US company subject to the EU Global Human Rights sanctions regime does not mean the EU is sanctioning the US.
- DiogenesKynikos 6y ago
  This is a major project that the German government is heavily involved in. Major German companies are under threat of sanctions. The US is using sanctions in order to try to force the German government to change its strategic and economic policy. This is a bit more than the US sanctioning some random German company.
threeseed 6y ago
> They're touchy about people recognizing what they view as separatist movements I love how you refer to mass kidnapping of protestors from Hong Kong "touchy".
- DiogenesKynikos 6y ago
  I didn't say anything remotely like that.

mainstreemm 6y ago

>One of Xi Jinping's most highly publicized policies (inside China) is his anti-corruption campaign. This is practically his signature policy. You can argue the policy isn't in effective or isn't sincere, but to say that corruption isn't formally frowned upon us just wrong. No, sorry, saying that it isn't sincere IS the same as saying corruption isn't formally frowned upon. And "anti-corruption" is the euphemism used by many authoritarian regimes to remove political opponents, which I'm sure is what is really happening under Dictator Pooh-Bear.

b0rsuk 6y ago

Ever heard that Taiwan is doing a stellar job holding off coronavirus? No, because China presses WHO into not mentioning Taiwan. We could learn a lot from Taiwan. China doesn't just boycott Taiwan, it makes others act as if the country doesn't exist. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/taiwan https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/taiwan

DiogenesKynikos 6y ago
There's a frozen civil war in China. The government is obviously touchy about other countries recognizing what it views as a breakaway province. China views such recognition as meddling in its internal affairs. In Western news coverage, though, I see precisely the opposite of what you see. Taiwan is often listed as an example to follow, while China's combating of the epidemic is largely ignored. A lot of people even seem to think that the epidemic is still raging in China, but that it's all just being covered up.
- threeseed 6y ago
  a) It's not Western news coverage but international. b) No one believes anything China has to say because they have a history of coverups and suppression. c) The lack of an independent press or judiciary means we don't have mechanisms to independently assess the truth.
  - DiogenesKynikos 6y ago
    It's not actually difficult to know what the basic situation is in China right now. Go on YouTube Twitter, or any other large social media platform and look at what people who are currently in China are saying. Even in this thread, I'm sure that some of the commenters are in China. You can also look coverage by Western press in China. A German-French public broadcaster did a report from Wuhan not too long ago that shows how different the situation is there from Europe and the US: [1,2]. By the way, documents from Hubei province have leaked, and the number of people testing positive for SARS-CoV-2 in internal government records roughly matches the numbers that were published each day. 1. German: https://youtu.be/LmsI7lc2_Vg https://youtu.be/LmsI7lc2_Vg 2. French: https://youtu.be/OyHt7-KmK7Y https://youtu.be/OyHt7-KmK7Y
    - jjcc 6y ago
      Since you mention YouTube, I quickly compile a list of Westerners who have lived some time in China, i.e. not tourists. To help people make decision if they are brainwashed. But usually "Brainwash" means brainwashed people can not find they are brainwashed. List A: These 2 guys are thinkers then others. They should be working on different job. Expecially in Western intellegence to help westener better undrestading China) 1. Cyrus Janssen(American) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxEQsjgRRfGWiJJu_PDygxw https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxEQsjgRRfGWiJJu_PDygxw 2. Daniel Dumbrill(Canadian) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6Bl8MTbW9M9MQoPhxbarpw https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6Bl8MTbW9M9MQoPhxbarpw List B: (Positive) 3 Matt (American) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Ykci4MKSSdTJYuYp53G7A https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Ykci4MKSSdTJYuYp53G7A 4 Gweilo 60 (Canadian. Mainly positive. He also talked about negative side) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UChXOhG9bRDb3vSTg-qkPAZg https://www.youtube.com/channel/UChXOhG9bRDb3vSTg-qkPAZg 5 Jason(British) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzDE2LGSmJnw53WrZ7mM_Aw https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzDE2LGSmJnw53WrZ7mM_Aw 6 Nathan Rish(American. Seem a little opinionted) https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCaSlyjhR4WC7QhYuaivxb6g https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCaSlyjhR4WC7QhYuaivxb6g List C: (Negative, but was positive) 7 serpentza (South African, the oldest vlogger about China) https://www.youtube.com/user/serpentza https://www.youtube.com/user/serpentza 8 laowhy86 (American) https://www.youtube.com/user/laowhy86 https://www.youtube.com/user/laowhy86 (edit) reformat

esbranson 6y ago

> The US is even sanctioning Germany The US has not sanctioned Germany. E.g. a US company subject to the EU Global Human Rights sanctions regime does not mean the EU is sanctioning the US.

DiogenesKynikos 6y ago
This is a major project that the German government is heavily involved in. Major German companies are under threat of sanctions. The US is using sanctions in order to try to force the German government to change its strategic and economic policy. This is a bit more than the US sanctioning some random German company.

threeseed 6y ago

> They're touchy about people recognizing what they view as separatist movements I love how you refer to mass kidnapping of protestors from Hong Kong "touchy".

DiogenesKynikos 6y ago
I didn't say anything remotely like that.