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Eh you may want to read up about the NSA history of backdoors.

barbacoa 6y ago
Saving people the google search, I believe secfirstmd is referring to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gRsgkdfYJ8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gRsgkdfYJ8 For anyone not good with faces the guy responding is Linus Torvalds who created and still manages Linux.
curiousgal 6y ago
Honestly, people seem to forget that this happened. They lose their shit at the slightest mention of Huawei/China but don't even have an issue using software released by the NSA[0]. Unpopular opinion, but if I had to choose between China and the U.S. spying on me, I would pick the one who's less likely to have me extradited from whatever country I am in or ban me from flying. 0.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghidra https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghidra
- philliphaydon 6y ago
  So you choose the US?
  - rat9988 6y ago
    I understood china.
    - philliphaydon 6y ago
      china has extradition laws just like the US. But the major difference (other than the list of countries they have treaties with) is if you insult the US government, nothing would happen, if you insulted the ccp, they would make up some false accusations to extradite you and throw you in jail, like whats happening already with Hong Kong. So you're definitely safer with the US than you are with china.
- dvfjsdhgfv 6y ago
  > I would pick the one who's less likely to have me extradited from whatever country I am in or ban me from flying. Frankly, I despise what the American government did to Assange and Manning. However, you can't even remotely compare their fate to what is happening every day to hundreds and thousands of people in different parts of China like Tibet. You have no chance of escaping, no chance of trial not to mention any appeal, your life can be destroyed in an instant. Several people in Tibet each year prefer to self-immolate than live under the terrible conditions imposed by the Chinese government.
  - trasz 6y ago
    Interesting opinion, given what Tibet looked like before Chinese invasion (tl;dr: it was a totalitarian hellhole, not comparable with the current situation).
    - dash2 6y ago
      If it's so improved, you have to explain why Tibetans regularly risk their lives escaping over the border to India, where - so long as they are not shot by border guards - they join the ruler of that former totalitarian hellhole, the Dalai Lama, in Dharamsala.
      - berdario 6y ago
        I'd like to read more, do you have any sources?
        dash2 6y ago
        Speaking from personal experience (I met exiles in Northern India in the 90s). Here's a source, though I don't know how reliable it is: https://bylinetimes.com/2020/01/22/china-clamps-down-on-the-tibetans-escaping-for-freedom/ https://bylinetimes.com/2020/01/22/china-clamps-down-on-the-...
      - trasz 6y ago
        They might have been brainwashed - after all, religion plays a role here. Also, getting rid of slavery does hurt the situation of previous slave owners.
aww_dang 6y ago
I didn't read the above comment as dismissing the NSA's history with backdoors. It generalizes by referring to 'state actors'. The NSA is not mentioned at all. Perhaps it was edited?

Saving people the google search, I believe secfirstmd is referring to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gRsgkdfYJ8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gRsgkdfYJ8 For anyone not good with faces the guy responding is Linus Torvalds who created and still manages Linux.

curiousgal 6y ago

Honestly, people seem to forget that this happened. They lose their shit at the slightest mention of Huawei/China but don't even have an issue using software released by the NSA[0]. Unpopular opinion, but if I had to choose between China and the U.S. spying on me, I would pick the one who's less likely to have me extradited from whatever country I am in or ban me from flying. 0.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghidra https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghidra

philliphaydon 6y ago
So you choose the US?
- rat9988 6y ago
  I understood china.
  - philliphaydon 6y ago
    china has extradition laws just like the US. But the major difference (other than the list of countries they have treaties with) is if you insult the US government, nothing would happen, if you insulted the ccp, they would make up some false accusations to extradite you and throw you in jail, like whats happening already with Hong Kong. So you're definitely safer with the US than you are with china.
dvfjsdhgfv 6y ago
> I would pick the one who's less likely to have me extradited from whatever country I am in or ban me from flying. Frankly, I despise what the American government did to Assange and Manning. However, you can't even remotely compare their fate to what is happening every day to hundreds and thousands of people in different parts of China like Tibet. You have no chance of escaping, no chance of trial not to mention any appeal, your life can be destroyed in an instant. Several people in Tibet each year prefer to self-immolate than live under the terrible conditions imposed by the Chinese government.
- trasz 6y ago
  Interesting opinion, given what Tibet looked like before Chinese invasion (tl;dr: it was a totalitarian hellhole, not comparable with the current situation).
  - dash2 6y ago
    If it's so improved, you have to explain why Tibetans regularly risk their lives escaping over the border to India, where - so long as they are not shot by border guards - they join the ruler of that former totalitarian hellhole, the Dalai Lama, in Dharamsala.
    - berdario 6y ago
      I'd like to read more, do you have any sources?
      - dash2 6y ago
        Speaking from personal experience (I met exiles in Northern India in the 90s). Here's a source, though I don't know how reliable it is: https://bylinetimes.com/2020/01/22/china-clamps-down-on-the-tibetans-escaping-for-freedom/ https://bylinetimes.com/2020/01/22/china-clamps-down-on-the-...
    - trasz 6y ago
      They might have been brainwashed - after all, religion plays a role here. Also, getting rid of slavery does hurt the situation of previous slave owners.

aww_dang 6y ago

I didn't read the above comment as dismissing the NSA's history with backdoors. It generalizes by referring to 'state actors'. The NSA is not mentioned at all. Perhaps it was edited?