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Gonna be great when Congress gets word of this

absolutelyrad 6y ago
What can congress do? They're already blacklisted. The only thing left is to shoot your own foot. Maybe avoid that? I've seen nothing logical that came out of Trumps silly blacklisting except cashing out on the reputation the US had for pennies on the dollar. China is destined to be Europe and the US combined in term of tech. Time will tell if their culture causes problem for them. Smart high intelligence people + strong work ethic + competition and not rent seeking by incumbents. They're only second to Israel in terms of average human intelligence. Every top math Olympiad participant representing the US is of Chinese ethnicity/descent, this should be noted.
- rscho 6y ago
  China is destined by US and European politicians to take power, because those in power are totally corrupt. This has nothing to do with the instrinsic abilities of respective populations. Same goes for Israel. And you have a strange definition of ethics given the amount of IP piracy going on with the blessing of occidental politicians.
  - absolutelyrad 6y ago
    > And you have a strange definition of ethics given the amount of IP piracy going on with the blessing of occidental politicians. What IP did Huawei steal? 5G?
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- marcus_holmes 6y ago
  Suggesting that human intelligence varies by race is a very old, very debunked idea that no-one believes any more outside of some small racist cliques.
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  - absolutelyrad 6y ago
    If the math Olympiad is racist then so is fashion modelling and NFL. And I called it ethnicity/descent already.
    - xtian 6y ago
      That’s not sufficient evidence for the scale of the claim you’re making about basic human nature. Many other factors can explain China’s success much less the demographic composition of Math Olympiad participants.
  - iso8859-1 6y ago
    Without mentioning how the intelligence is measured, how can you decide that it is racist? You're not assuming good faith.
  - lldbg 6y ago
    I haven't seen any good studies debunking it, but neither have I seen any studies which prove it. That IQ is heritable and has a large genetic component however is "settled science" [a], and the current trend in behavioural genetics seems to be that a large swathe of cognitive and social behaviours are very heritable indeed. [a]: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4270739/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4270739/
  - dash2 6y ago
    I don't read the comment as suggesting that Chinese people are genetically smart - just that they are smart. That IQ varies by race or ethnicity is an established fact, not a debunked theory. The controversial question is why it varies - nature or the environment?
    - unityByFreedom 6y ago
      Nature vs nurture is an ancient argument. Science indicates both contribute, and IQ is a subjective measure of what's perceived as intelligent. It certainly isn't settled science that some ethnicities are more intelligent on average than others. That is some James Damore BS that can never be measured. And by the way, we are one human race, according to the scientific definition.
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- baja_blast 6y ago
  > Every top math Olympiad participant representing the US is of Chinese ethnicity/descent, this should be noted. But conversely, if you look at winners of the Fields Medal, Abel Prize, Wolf Prize, Chern Medal etc. There is surprisingly few Chinese recipients despite outnumbering everyone else in total population.
  - anglercut 6y ago
    > Chern Medal Self-explanatory, I think.
chaosharmonic 6y ago
You expect Congress to understand this in the first place? Sure, the power balance just shifted substantially, but it still doesn't change the fact that a significant chunk of its leadership (majority party or otherwise) can't be bothered to understand how search rankings work, or how Facebook makes money. And this extends at least as far back as the 90s, when Congress shuttered the Office of Technology Assessment, whose literal job was to educate them on these exact sorts of issues.

What can congress do? They're already blacklisted. The only thing left is to shoot your own foot. Maybe avoid that? I've seen nothing logical that came out of Trumps silly blacklisting except cashing out on the reputation the US had for pennies on the dollar. China is destined to be Europe and the US combined in term of tech. Time will tell if their culture causes problem for them. Smart high intelligence people + strong work ethic + competition and not rent seeking by incumbents. They're only second to Israel in terms of average human intelligence. Every top math Olympiad participant representing the US is of Chinese ethnicity/descent, this should be noted.

rscho 6y ago
China is destined by US and European politicians to take power, because those in power are totally corrupt. This has nothing to do with the instrinsic abilities of respective populations. Same goes for Israel. And you have a strange definition of ethics given the amount of IP piracy going on with the blessing of occidental politicians.
- absolutelyrad 6y ago
  > And you have a strange definition of ethics given the amount of IP piracy going on with the blessing of occidental politicians. What IP did Huawei steal? 5G?
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marcus_holmes 6y ago
Suggesting that human intelligence varies by race is a very old, very debunked idea that no-one believes any more outside of some small racist cliques.
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- absolutelyrad 6y ago
  If the math Olympiad is racist then so is fashion modelling and NFL. And I called it ethnicity/descent already.
  - xtian 6y ago
    That’s not sufficient evidence for the scale of the claim you’re making about basic human nature. Many other factors can explain China’s success much less the demographic composition of Math Olympiad participants.
- iso8859-1 6y ago
  Without mentioning how the intelligence is measured, how can you decide that it is racist? You're not assuming good faith.
- lldbg 6y ago
  I haven't seen any good studies debunking it, but neither have I seen any studies which prove it. That IQ is heritable and has a large genetic component however is "settled science" [a], and the current trend in behavioural genetics seems to be that a large swathe of cognitive and social behaviours are very heritable indeed. [a]: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4270739/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4270739/
- dash2 6y ago
  I don't read the comment as suggesting that Chinese people are genetically smart - just that they are smart. That IQ varies by race or ethnicity is an established fact, not a debunked theory. The controversial question is why it varies - nature or the environment?
  - unityByFreedom 6y ago
    Nature vs nurture is an ancient argument. Science indicates both contribute, and IQ is a subjective measure of what's perceived as intelligent. It certainly isn't settled science that some ethnicities are more intelligent on average than others. That is some James Damore BS that can never be measured. And by the way, we are one human race, according to the scientific definition.
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baja_blast 6y ago
> Every top math Olympiad participant representing the US is of Chinese ethnicity/descent, this should be noted. But conversely, if you look at winners of the Fields Medal, Abel Prize, Wolf Prize, Chern Medal etc. There is surprisingly few Chinese recipients despite outnumbering everyone else in total population.
- anglercut 6y ago
  > Chern Medal Self-explanatory, I think.

chaosharmonic 6y ago

You expect Congress to understand this in the first place? Sure, the power balance just shifted substantially, but it still doesn't change the fact that a significant chunk of its leadership (majority party or otherwise) can't be bothered to understand how search rankings work, or how Facebook makes money. And this extends at least as far back as the 90s, when Congress shuttered the Office of Technology Assessment, whose literal job was to educate them on these exact sorts of issues.