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This sounds awesome. Good, affordable connectivity seems to be a basic human right. I wish it was this way everywhere. I'm in the US and can only get 1.5Mbit DS

by _wldu 6y ago

This sounds awesome. Good, affordable connectivity seems to be a basic human right. I wish it was this way everywhere. I'm in the US and can only get 1.5Mbit DSL, for which I pay 90 US dollars a month (with a basic home phone line). That's the only Internet I can get. East Coast USA.

vinay427 6y ago
Is this in a smaller rural town or a home very far out? Every metropolitan area I've seen at least has near-universal cable TV/internet coverage (typically up to 50-300 Mbps), and even exurbs these days often have fiber.
- _wldu 6y ago
  University town. I'm in the town limits, but on the very edge of town. Apartments downtown have fast connections, but edge neighborhoods and surrounding areas only have low speed options.
tchalla 6y ago
You can not compare two currencies without including the parities. In terms of the US dollar, India has a Purchasing Power Parity of 21.276 as of 2019 [0]. > Purchasing power parities (PPPs) are the rates of currency conversion that try to equalise the purchasing power of different currencies, by eliminating the differences in price levels between countries. The basket of goods and services priced is a sample of all those that are part of final expenditures: final consumption of households and government, fixed capital formation, and net exports. This indicator is measured in terms of national currency per US dollar [0] https://data.oecd.org/conversion/purchasing-power-parities-ppp.htm https://data.oecd.org/conversion/purchasing-power-parities-p...
- iguy 6y ago
  I'm not sure PPP is a great measure here. It works best when comparing people with relatively similar consumption, e.g. asking about the material lives of engineers in east- vs. west-germany. Both had cars, radios, apartments with indoor plumbing, and awful haircuts, but they paid for them with different money. Any exchange rate was basically a fiction, but even if the currencies had been freely traded, these two still couldn't buy each other's goods. Some people in India have lives similarly comparable to the west, e.g. the class who buy iphones. But the ones who make this super-cheap data interesting really don't. I mean there are riots when the price of onions doubles after a poor harvest. It's difficult to imagine a shared basket of goods which meaningfully captures the comparison here --- between prices experienced by those whose weekly budget can flattened by onions, and people in the US. Probably a better comparison would simply be to quote daily wages alongside such prices. GDP is about US$5/day, compared to about $175/day in the US.
  - tchalla 6y ago
    It's fine to take another normalisation metric - no metric is perfect. The point was that there is a normalisation needed. Far too often I see a comment which states, "Oh! It is just 1$ so cheap!". I chose PPP because it is meant for making parities. So, 9cents may or may not be cheap. We don't know until we use a normalisation factor.
    - iguy 6y ago
      People talk about dog-years too, but past some very crude level there's no avoiding knowing something about about the lives of dogs, or parrots, or goldfish. At which point it's less confusing to use ordinary earth-years for everyone.
      - tchalla 6y ago
        "It is better to be vaguely right and than precisely wrong".
- traib 6y ago
  First, PPP has its own issues [1] and is probably not the best way to compare the price of data. Second, even after taking PPP into account data is still much cheaper in India - 30 USD per month for the thread parent after PPP conversion. Math below: PPP in [2] is National currency units/US dollar, i.e. INR/USD. It says that ~21.3 INR is going to buy you the same basket of goods in India that 1 USD buys you in USA. 9 USD = 9 * 70.394 = ~633.5 INR [3] 633.5 INR = 633.5 / 21.3 = ~30 USD PPP. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purchasing_power_parity#Issues https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purchasing_power_parity#Issues [2] https://data.oecd.org/conversion/purchasing-power-parities-ppp.htm https://data.oecd.org/conversion/purchasing-power-parities-p... [3] https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/yearly-average-currency-exchange-rates https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/year...
  - tchalla 6y ago
    > 9 USD = 9 * 70.394 = ~633.5 INR [3] > 633.5 INR = 633.5 / 21.3 = ~30 USD PPP. Thanks for taking the time to correct me.
zdragnar 6y ago
If you are in range of cell towers, there is likely a 4g lye mvno offering decent speed internet. I used https://www.ubifi.net/ https://www.ubifi.net/ for a year until I got fiber and was quite pleased with it. (No affiliation, i just gad a good experience).

by _wldu 6y ago

vinay427 6y ago

Is this in a smaller rural town or a home very far out? Every metropolitan area I've seen at least has near-universal cable TV/internet coverage (typically up to 50-300 Mbps), and even exurbs these days often have fiber.

_wldu 6y ago
University town. I'm in the town limits, but on the very edge of town. Apartments downtown have fast connections, but edge neighborhoods and surrounding areas only have low speed options.

tchalla 6y ago

You can not compare two currencies without including the parities. In terms of the US dollar, India has a Purchasing Power Parity of 21.276 as of 2019 [0]. > Purchasing power parities (PPPs) are the rates of currency conversion that try to equalise the purchasing power of different currencies, by eliminating the differences in price levels between countries. The basket of goods and services priced is a sample of all those that are part of final expenditures: final consumption of households and government, fixed capital formation, and net exports. This indicator is measured in terms of national currency per US dollar [0] https://data.oecd.org/conversion/purchasing-power-parities-ppp.htm https://data.oecd.org/conversion/purchasing-power-parities-p...

iguy 6y ago
I'm not sure PPP is a great measure here. It works best when comparing people with relatively similar consumption, e.g. asking about the material lives of engineers in east- vs. west-germany. Both had cars, radios, apartments with indoor plumbing, and awful haircuts, but they paid for them with different money. Any exchange rate was basically a fiction, but even if the currencies had been freely traded, these two still couldn't buy each other's goods. Some people in India have lives similarly comparable to the west, e.g. the class who buy iphones. But the ones who make this super-cheap data interesting really don't. I mean there are riots when the price of onions doubles after a poor harvest. It's difficult to imagine a shared basket of goods which meaningfully captures the comparison here --- between prices experienced by those whose weekly budget can flattened by onions, and people in the US. Probably a better comparison would simply be to quote daily wages alongside such prices. GDP is about US$5/day, compared to about $175/day in the US.
- tchalla 6y ago
  It's fine to take another normalisation metric - no metric is perfect. The point was that there is a normalisation needed. Far too often I see a comment which states, "Oh! It is just 1$ so cheap!". I chose PPP because it is meant for making parities. So, 9cents may or may not be cheap. We don't know until we use a normalisation factor.
  - iguy 6y ago
    People talk about dog-years too, but past some very crude level there's no avoiding knowing something about about the lives of dogs, or parrots, or goldfish. At which point it's less confusing to use ordinary earth-years for everyone.
    - tchalla 6y ago
      "It is better to be vaguely right and than precisely wrong".
traib 6y ago
First, PPP has its own issues [1] and is probably not the best way to compare the price of data. Second, even after taking PPP into account data is still much cheaper in India - 30 USD per month for the thread parent after PPP conversion. Math below: PPP in [2] is National currency units/US dollar, i.e. INR/USD. It says that ~21.3 INR is going to buy you the same basket of goods in India that 1 USD buys you in USA. 9 USD = 9 * 70.394 = ~633.5 INR [3] 633.5 INR = 633.5 / 21.3 = ~30 USD PPP. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purchasing_power_parity#Issues https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purchasing_power_parity#Issues [2] https://data.oecd.org/conversion/purchasing-power-parities-ppp.htm https://data.oecd.org/conversion/purchasing-power-parities-p... [3] https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/yearly-average-currency-exchange-rates https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/year...
- tchalla 6y ago
  > 9 USD = 9 * 70.394 = ~633.5 INR [3] > 633.5 INR = 633.5 / 21.3 = ~30 USD PPP. Thanks for taking the time to correct me.

zdragnar 6y ago

If you are in range of cell towers, there is likely a 4g lye mvno offering decent speed internet. I used https://www.ubifi.net/ https://www.ubifi.net/ for a year until I got fiber and was quite pleased with it. (No affiliation, i just gad a good experience).