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> it's just that their business model is to be selling hosted e-mail services Does anyone know if pro/business accounts with Google GSuite have better privacy

> it's just that their business model is to be selling hosted e-mail services Does anyone know if pro/business accounts with Google GSuite have better privacy than free accounts? Another counterpoint to my original post is - you can call someone at ProtonMail, can't do that with Google.

madhadron 6y ago
> Does anyone know if pro/business accounts with Google GSuite have better privacy than free accounts? Yes. If you read the terms when you sign up to pay them money for GSuite, it says that your data in not used for advertising, targeting, or any other analytics. Basically the minimum terms for a large organization to be willing to entrust their internal data to Google.
Nextgrid 6y ago
> Does anyone know if pro/business accounts with Google GSuite have better privacy than free accounts? Officially, I'm sure they claim that G-Suite data is not used for any advertising purposes. However, just like I wouldn't trust an alcoholic with guarding a warehouse full of booze, I wouldn't trust this promise especially considering they intentionally violate the GDPR with a misleading, obnoxious and non-compliant consent form for EU visitors. Furthermore, even if we assume G-Suite data itself is not used, what about general data collected by Google services? For example, a lot of their properties have Google Analytics included - does being logged in a G-Suite account automatically opt you out? What about YouTube (when logging into a G-Suite account you briefly get a redirect to accounts.youtube.com presumably to set a session cookie)? Etc. Given that Google is an advertising company, I can see it being easy for them to collect data they shouldn't, even because of an oversight (such as forgetting a "if account.is_g_suite" check, or legacy code predating G-Suite) as opposed to any malicious intent. Not using Google means you don't have to interact with Google at all unless you explicitly want to and aren't exposed to any of the aforementioned risks.
- cbradford 6y ago
  Agree. It is unlikely that google adheres to their ToS, it is more profitable to violate them and if you get caught do the usual "oops, our bad" like Facebook does regularly.
  - jasonv 6y ago
    Then you can't trust, accept, or move to, any other company, either.
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izacus 6y ago
> Does anyone know if pro/business accounts with Google GSuite have better privacy than free accounts? Yes, the GSuite data is separated from non-GSuite and is goverened by a different ToS. This includes this data not being used for advertising, conforming to different deletion requirements and more. Check out the GSuite ToS for details, we looked into this awhile ago.

madhadron 6y ago

> Does anyone know if pro/business accounts with Google GSuite have better privacy than free accounts? Yes. If you read the terms when you sign up to pay them money for GSuite, it says that your data in not used for advertising, targeting, or any other analytics. Basically the minimum terms for a large organization to be willing to entrust their internal data to Google.

Nextgrid 6y ago

> Does anyone know if pro/business accounts with Google GSuite have better privacy than free accounts? Officially, I'm sure they claim that G-Suite data is not used for any advertising purposes. However, just like I wouldn't trust an alcoholic with guarding a warehouse full of booze, I wouldn't trust this promise especially considering they intentionally violate the GDPR with a misleading, obnoxious and non-compliant consent form for EU visitors. Furthermore, even if we assume G-Suite data itself is not used, what about general data collected by Google services? For example, a lot of their properties have Google Analytics included - does being logged in a G-Suite account automatically opt you out? What about YouTube (when logging into a G-Suite account you briefly get a redirect to accounts.youtube.com presumably to set a session cookie)? Etc. Given that Google is an advertising company, I can see it being easy for them to collect data they shouldn't, even because of an oversight (such as forgetting a "if account.is_g_suite" check, or legacy code predating G-Suite) as opposed to any malicious intent. Not using Google means you don't have to interact with Google at all unless you explicitly want to and aren't exposed to any of the aforementioned risks.

cbradford 6y ago
Agree. It is unlikely that google adheres to their ToS, it is more profitable to violate them and if you get caught do the usual "oops, our bad" like Facebook does regularly.
- jasonv 6y ago
  Then you can't trust, accept, or move to, any other company, either.
- deleted 6y ago
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izacus 6y ago

> Does anyone know if pro/business accounts with Google GSuite have better privacy than free accounts? Yes, the GSuite data is separated from non-GSuite and is goverened by a different ToS. This includes this data not being used for advertising, conforming to different deletion requirements and more. Check out the GSuite ToS for details, we looked into this awhile ago.