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Moving to Apple Maps is basically stabbing yourself in the face. OSM would be a better solution. If only an email service as good as Gmail existed anywhere on

Moving to Apple Maps is basically stabbing yourself in the face. OSM would be a better solution. If only an email service as good as Gmail existed anywhere on this planet :(

bribri 6y ago
I'm running Amazon WorkMail for $5 a month under my own domain. It's very bare bones but it does what I need.
klodolph 6y ago
When was the last time you used Apple Maps?
zingplex 6y ago
Isn't OSM a major data source for Apple Maps? Edit: I checked, the OSM wiki actually has a page about it [1] [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Apple https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Apple
oarsinsync 6y ago
> Moving to Apple Maps is basically stabbing yourself in the face. After doing some basic A/B testing (checking Google Maps, Waze and Apple Maps for routing guidance) and establishing that Apple Maps has been giving me earlier arrival times through different routing guidance (and actually delivering on that earlier arrival time, by means of actually using it), I've determined that's less likely to be true, if you're in a city that has been refreshed recently. Combined with the (potentially anti-competitive) use of private APIs on both the iPhone and Apple Watch, enabling the phone lockscreen to always display routing guidance, and the watch to provide haptic feedback for routing guidance, Apple Maps has become a superior experience as far as driving goes. This is all if you're already a sucker in their eco-system, and happen to live in a city they care about, which I am. EDIT: At the same time.. > Moving to Apple Maps is basically stabbing yourself in the face. If you're taking this from the perspective of moving from one megacorp to another, rather than quality of service, then yes, there's basically no difference here. Apple today is claiming to care, in a similar manner to Google's old mission statement of "dont be evil". Apple have been pretty clear that their interest in your privacy only extends as far as lip service goes, given the lack of E2E encryption on iCloud storage for the majority of your data. 2 decades ago Google was "don't be evil" and here we are today. Where do we think Apple will be in a decade or two from now? So yes, in that respect, don't stab yourself in the face, and don't use any megacorp products.
- cageface 6y ago
  We techies like to believe that we can find technical solutions to these problems but I think this is misguided. Even for a very technical user completely untangling yourself from FAANG is a lot of work and a massive inconvenience. And if this kind of privacy is really only available to a small technical elite then how much good is it anyway? Privacy is only really valuable when it's accessible to everyone. Respect for user privacy is going to have to come from regulation.
Nextgrid 6y ago
> If only an email service as good as Gmail existed anywhere on this planet Office 365, which is Microsoft Exchange under the hood?
jlelse 6y ago
I use Here WeGo for maps and I'm quite happy with it.

Moving to Apple Maps is basically stabbing yourself in the face. OSM would be a better solution. If only an email service as good as Gmail existed anywhere on this planet :(

bribri 6y ago

I'm running Amazon WorkMail for $5 a month under my own domain. It's very bare bones but it does what I need.

klodolph 6y ago

When was the last time you used Apple Maps?

zingplex 6y ago

Isn't OSM a major data source for Apple Maps? Edit: I checked, the OSM wiki actually has a page about it [1] [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Apple https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Apple

oarsinsync 6y ago

> Moving to Apple Maps is basically stabbing yourself in the face. After doing some basic A/B testing (checking Google Maps, Waze and Apple Maps for routing guidance) and establishing that Apple Maps has been giving me earlier arrival times through different routing guidance (and actually delivering on that earlier arrival time, by means of actually using it), I've determined that's less likely to be true, if you're in a city that has been refreshed recently. Combined with the (potentially anti-competitive) use of private APIs on both the iPhone and Apple Watch, enabling the phone lockscreen to always display routing guidance, and the watch to provide haptic feedback for routing guidance, Apple Maps has become a superior experience as far as driving goes. This is all if you're already a sucker in their eco-system, and happen to live in a city they care about, which I am. EDIT: At the same time.. > Moving to Apple Maps is basically stabbing yourself in the face. If you're taking this from the perspective of moving from one megacorp to another, rather than quality of service, then yes, there's basically no difference here. Apple today is claiming to care, in a similar manner to Google's old mission statement of "dont be evil". Apple have been pretty clear that their interest in your privacy only extends as far as lip service goes, given the lack of E2E encryption on iCloud storage for the majority of your data. 2 decades ago Google was "don't be evil" and here we are today. Where do we think Apple will be in a decade or two from now? So yes, in that respect, don't stab yourself in the face, and don't use any megacorp products.

cageface 6y ago
We techies like to believe that we can find technical solutions to these problems but I think this is misguided. Even for a very technical user completely untangling yourself from FAANG is a lot of work and a massive inconvenience. And if this kind of privacy is really only available to a small technical elite then how much good is it anyway? Privacy is only really valuable when it's accessible to everyone. Respect for user privacy is going to have to come from regulation.

Nextgrid 6y ago

> If only an email service as good as Gmail existed anywhere on this planet Office 365, which is Microsoft Exchange under the hood?

jlelse 6y ago

I use Here WeGo for maps and I'm quite happy with it.