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Simply asserting this without evidence does not make it so. If Apple truly had this strategy they're doing a horrible job at it. Mostly since you are free to b

by DCKing 6y ago

Simply asserting this without evidence does not make it so. If Apple truly had this strategy they're doing a horrible job at it. Mostly since you are free to boot (or work on doing so at least) NetBSD and countless other things on practically every Mac they've ever released, including the latest ones. They're doing a horrible job at communicating this strategy too, because they're communicating the opposite. For this Apple Silicon phase, it seems they've also missed a huge opportunity to finally execute on this strategy by spending a little time and money to develop the tools to do the opposite of that strategy and give users a way to boot unsigned kernels. I just don't buy it, sorry. I don't even get why Apple would want to do this outside of sheer malice.

Nullabillity 6y ago
> Simply asserting this without evidence does not make it so. Goes in both directions. > Mostly since you are free to boot (or work on doing so at least) NetBSD and countless other things on practically every Mac they've ever released, including the latest ones. Gatekeeper wasn't a thing either, until it was, indeed, a thing. > They're doing a horrible job at communicating this strategy too, because they're communicating the opposite. Surely that's the whole point of a trap? > For this Apple Silicon phase, it seems they've also missed a huge opportunity to finally execute on this strategy by spending a little time and money to develop the tools to do the opposite of that strategy and give users a way to boot unsigned kernels. Sure, because right now they're trying to sell the idea of M1 Macs. > I just don't buy it, sorry. I don't even get why Apple would want to do this outside of sheer malice. App Store, censorship, ... You could turn that around and ask why they would want to lock down their iOS devices, and why you think that those reasons wouldn't apply to Macs.
- spideymans 6y ago
  >Surely that's the whole point of a trap? I've been hearing about this supposed secret Apple plot to lock down the Mac and take away third party software distribution and operating systems for a decade now. If this is indeed Apple's plot, then they're really slow at implementing it. Maybe they'll sort it out in another decade.
  - bsaul 6y ago
    they never had a real advantage on the desktop / laptop that would justify locking you in, until now. They could do it on mobile thanks to the vastly superior user experience. When steve jobs announced itunes on windows he said "hell froze over". That should tell you how much they take openeness into consideration. I'm still waiting for iMessage to be an open protocol, or for my iphone to be able to use a standard charging cable...
- DCKing 6y ago
  > Surely that's the whole point of a trap? I mean, this is exactly the bad faith argument I was talking about right here. If you want to view this as smoke and mirrors until they "trap" you by all means go ahead, but it does shut this conversation right down.
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by DCKing 6y ago

Nullabillity 6y ago

> Simply asserting this without evidence does not make it so. Goes in both directions. > Mostly since you are free to boot (or work on doing so at least) NetBSD and countless other things on practically every Mac they've ever released, including the latest ones. Gatekeeper wasn't a thing either, until it was, indeed, a thing. > They're doing a horrible job at communicating this strategy too, because they're communicating the opposite. Surely that's the whole point of a trap? > For this Apple Silicon phase, it seems they've also missed a huge opportunity to finally execute on this strategy by spending a little time and money to develop the tools to do the opposite of that strategy and give users a way to boot unsigned kernels. Sure, because right now they're trying to sell the idea of M1 Macs. > I just don't buy it, sorry. I don't even get why Apple would want to do this outside of sheer malice. App Store, censorship, ... You could turn that around and ask why they would want to lock down their iOS devices, and why you think that those reasons wouldn't apply to Macs.

spideymans 6y ago
>Surely that's the whole point of a trap? I've been hearing about this supposed secret Apple plot to lock down the Mac and take away third party software distribution and operating systems for a decade now. If this is indeed Apple's plot, then they're really slow at implementing it. Maybe they'll sort it out in another decade.
- bsaul 6y ago
  they never had a real advantage on the desktop / laptop that would justify locking you in, until now. They could do it on mobile thanks to the vastly superior user experience. When steve jobs announced itunes on windows he said "hell froze over". That should tell you how much they take openeness into consideration. I'm still waiting for iMessage to be an open protocol, or for my iphone to be able to use a standard charging cable...
DCKing 6y ago
> Surely that's the whole point of a trap? I mean, this is exactly the bad faith argument I was talking about right here. If you want to view this as smoke and mirrors until they "trap" you by all means go ahead, but it does shut this conversation right down.

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