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Why? If they'd intended to shut this down, they would have a locked down boot loader like on iOS. Instead they deliberately built a boot loader which supported

Why? If they'd intended to shut this down, they would have a locked down boot loader like on iOS. Instead they deliberately built a boot loader which supported things like this.

mhh__ 6y ago
The engineers who did that probably don't make the decision on things like this. When have Apple been open about anything recently?
- ogre_codes 6y ago
  This took time and resources to make happen. This isn't some switch a rogue engineer pulled while management wasn't looking. Not only did it take time and effort to implement, they've also documented it. > When have Apple been open about anything recently? Darwin, WebKit, Swift, LLVM, This effort. Apple keeps iOS fairly tight the Mac, not so much.
  - mhh__ 6y ago
    Apple aren't upstreaming their backends to LLVM, for example
    - ogre_codes 6y ago
      What happened to "When have they been open about anything?" Wonderful moving goal post here.
ciwolsey 6y ago
Get people on board first. Lock it down once it's too late and everyone is invested.
- machello13 6y ago
  So your opinion of Apple is just that they're pure evil, or what?
- Jtsummers 6y ago
  That hasn't been their MO, historically. On macOS everything that's locked down by default can be unlocked (at least that I've encountered) regarding running software or other OSes on the hardware. They've made it "secure" by default, but not locked down, it's a simple switch to open it up. If, say, the iPad or iPhone had gone this route (started off as open as Android and then became locked down) you might have a point. But they didn't, they started off restricted and have only (gradually, and to a limited degree) been opened up.
- ogre_codes 6y ago
  > Get people on board first. Lock it down once it's too late and everyone is invested. Examples? Been using the Mac for 15 years and haven't observed this myself. iOS was more or less locked down from go, but they never did some kind of bait-and-switch.
fanatic2pope 6y ago
It wouldn't be unprecedented. Sony released the Playstation 3 with the ability to run Linux and removed it later using a firmware update. https://tedium.co/2020/11/27/sony-linux-otheros-geohot-history/ https://tedium.co/2020/11/27/sony-linux-otheros-geohot-histo...
- Jtsummers 6y ago
  The action isn’t unprecedented. But that’s a separate company. What has Apple done to make people expect this behavior when they’ve not done it before?
m463 6y ago
That can be changed in a software update. Is this likely? probably not, however I can imagine scenarios (lets say a worm gets out) where it might "make sense"

Why? If they'd intended to shut this down, they would have a locked down boot loader like on iOS. Instead they deliberately built a boot loader which supported things like this.

mhh__ 6y ago

The engineers who did that probably don't make the decision on things like this. When have Apple been open about anything recently?

ogre_codes 6y ago
This took time and resources to make happen. This isn't some switch a rogue engineer pulled while management wasn't looking. Not only did it take time and effort to implement, they've also documented it. > When have Apple been open about anything recently? Darwin, WebKit, Swift, LLVM, This effort. Apple keeps iOS fairly tight the Mac, not so much.
- mhh__ 6y ago
  Apple aren't upstreaming their backends to LLVM, for example
  - ogre_codes 6y ago
    What happened to "When have they been open about anything?" Wonderful moving goal post here.

ciwolsey 6y ago

Get people on board first. Lock it down once it's too late and everyone is invested.

machello13 6y ago
So your opinion of Apple is just that they're pure evil, or what?
Jtsummers 6y ago
That hasn't been their MO, historically. On macOS everything that's locked down by default can be unlocked (at least that I've encountered) regarding running software or other OSes on the hardware. They've made it "secure" by default, but not locked down, it's a simple switch to open it up. If, say, the iPad or iPhone had gone this route (started off as open as Android and then became locked down) you might have a point. But they didn't, they started off restricted and have only (gradually, and to a limited degree) been opened up.
ogre_codes 6y ago
> Get people on board first. Lock it down once it's too late and everyone is invested. Examples? Been using the Mac for 15 years and haven't observed this myself. iOS was more or less locked down from go, but they never did some kind of bait-and-switch.

fanatic2pope 6y ago

It wouldn't be unprecedented. Sony released the Playstation 3 with the ability to run Linux and removed it later using a firmware update. https://tedium.co/2020/11/27/sony-linux-otheros-geohot-history/ https://tedium.co/2020/11/27/sony-linux-otheros-geohot-histo...

Jtsummers 6y ago
The action isn’t unprecedented. But that’s a separate company. What has Apple done to make people expect this behavior when they’ve not done it before?

m463 6y ago

That can be changed in a software update. Is this likely? probably not, however I can imagine scenarios (lets say a worm gets out) where it might "make sense"