> because you falsely assume that practice must be replicated without any any reform to all other companies. You yourself asked me for some examples of problem

> because you falsely assume that practice must be replicated without any any reform to all other companies. You yourself asked me for some examples of problems that I had, lol! Why even ask me what problems I had with unions, if your response was just going to be "Well, we can't look at your real world example"? Also, I do not accept any hypothetical union, that does not exist, as a justification as for why unions are good. The only thing that I will accept is a real world example, of a real union, so that we can make judgements on that to see if it would be good for the tech industry or not. > to a weird standard where they should be rejected unless all instances are flawless It is not about being flawless. Instead it is that the actual, real world examples that I have of unions, very often include very serious problems. > reform the institution So now we are entering the world of fantasy land. If you cannot point to a real world example of a union that you like, then any argument that you are making right now is just a story that you made up in your head that is not backed up to fact. I have already pointed to very serious problems in unions. That is valid evidence. And the only response that I ever get, when I point out the very serious problems with real world unions is "Well, all the examples that you brought up don't counts, and no I don't have any examples of unions that I like! Instead, you should just believe me that things are going to be good, even though all the real world evidence proves otherwise". If pro union people want the tech industry to get on board then they need to show us facts, evidence and real world examples, instead of making up a story that is not backed by anything.